Discussion in 'Coffee House' started by padraig, Oct 28, 2017.
This is NOT TRUE
Im just staying out of this, i don't need to waste time with conspiracy theories that have no basis in truth
You just involved yourself by telling us you don't believe there was a conspiracy, Dean.
The release of these JFK records is a very important and historic move on Trump's part. It shows he is much more transparent than the globalist puppets George W. Bush and Obama.
There were several important revelations in these documents. First, we learned that there was indeed foreknowledge of the assassination thanks to the unsealed report on the British newspaper receiving a call 25 minutes prior to the assassination warning of something big about to go down. We also got official confirmation of what "conspiracy theorists" always had suspected but could never prove: that the KGB's own investigation into the assassination did indeed conclude that LBJ was the prime suspect. These are just but a few of the revelations and I think there will be more. But perhaps the most important revelation was this: we learned that after 50 years the Deep State is still afraid of releasing all the records. That is evidence to me that there was indeed a conspiracy and our government was involved.
As for Oswald, I believe he was exactly what he said he was: a patsy. His body language immediately after the assassination and then in the Dallas Police HQ was not the body language of a guilty man, nor was it the body language of either a super-spy or a lone-nut. Immediately following the assassination, he was found in the Texas School Book Depository lunchroom calmly drinking a soda. The Warren Commission wants us to believe that he assassinated the most powerful man in the world and then was found by a Dallas police officer calmly drinking a soda with no apparent signs of heightened stress. Lone-nut defenders would also have us believe Oswald was shrewd and competent enough to assassinate the President but had no exit plan. No real assassin would leave the weapon behind and then decide to stay around the scene of the crime. Sorry, not buying it. And then in the Dallas HQ, Oswald is visibly shaken and confused at the fact that he is being charged with the President's murder and vehemently denies that he was responsible. If Oswald was a super-spy, he would not have acted like he acted at the TSBD. If Oswald was a lone-nut obsessed with killing JFK, he would not have acted like he acted at the Dallas Police HQ, where he never once boasted or took credit for the assassination but acted confused and denied any involvement. Had he been the sociopath the Lone-nut defenders would have us believe, he would have taken credit for and bragged about what he had just pulled-off.
Contrast Oswald's behavior with that of LBJ's personal hitman Malcolm "Mac" Wallace, a convicted murderer who not only left a fingerprint in the sniper's nest of the TSBD but was also seen by numerous credible witnesses leaving a rear exit of the TSBD in a hurry just following the assassination. Six witnesses (who were ignored by the Warren Commission) said they saw a man in a window on the sixth floor who was heavy-set, balding and wearing horn-rimmed spectacles. That's a perfect description of Malcolm "Mac" Wallace at that time, who was LBJ's personal hitman and had worked for Johnson since the 1950's.
It helps to understand just who Wallace was and why his fingerprint in the sniper's nest is such a big deal. Wallace murdered John Douglas Kinser in 1951. Kinser, a 33-year-old sophomore student at the University of Texas, was involved with LBJ's sister and was blackmailing LBJ. LBJ's sister was a very flamboyant, bohemian, bi-sexual party-girl (and sometimes prostitute) who was a constant embarrassment to LBJ. When Wallace was apprehended by police for the murder of Kinser he said "you can't arrest me I work for Senator Johnson." Wallace was indicted for first-degree murder, went to trial and was defended by John Cofer, LBJ's personal lawyer. Every other person convicted of first-degree murder in 1951 in Texas got the electric chair. But not Wallace. He was convicted and got a 5-year suspended sentence. This is the man who left his fingerprint in the sniper's nest. A man meeting Wallace's description was also seen leaving a rear exit of the TSBD in a hurry and getting into a getaway car in the moments following the assassination. Contrast this with Oswald's behavior in the minutes following the assassination, and I think it becomes clear who was responsible. Couple this with the fact that both French and Russian intelligence concluded in their own investigations that LBJ was the guilty party, and I think we can understand why the Deep State continues to bury evidence 50 years after the event.
His mother, Rose, was a saint. I think this explains much about the Kennedy's. The father Joe seems to have been a bit of a boyo and passed some of his habits on to his sons. Certainly a very smart family. But I think the mother was the interesting one in a spiritual sense
Rose put her Faith at the very center in this interview, very striking. Huge inner strength , admirable. Wisdom and common sense.
Walking the mountain tonight praying for you all. Thinking a lot about my Guardian angels and St Michael the Arcangel in the mist. Wonderful
Most people don't admit to crimes out of fear - the reality of what Oswald did was enormous and that he was like a rabbit in the headlights when in the media glare.
Do you realise how high six floors are - you would want binoculars to give the description that the so called six eyewitnesses gave -
To see horn rimmed spectacles on someone from that distance - is that a joke? And behind a window - and windows give off some glare in the light so there is always going to be some reflection. Seriously - how is that credible evidence? Not just glasses but ones with 'horned rims' lmao!
Oswald fled the book depository - why? Why did he kill Officer Tippet? It is cast iron that he shot Tippet.
Just because Russian intelligence says it was LBJ doesn't make it LBJ.
There are more holes in this conspiracy theory than a porcupine's vest.
Look at the 6th floor and tell me that you would be able to provide that detail that the do called 6 'eyewitnesses' gave.
You would perhaps see the shadow outline of a figure with the naked eyes Notice too the natural glare in the said window --
But hold on a minute - they say they saw a man wearing 'horned rimmed glasses'!
Puh-lease!! You (like the Warren Commission) will discount any witnesses or evidence that challenge the Deep State narrative. You will discount the 6 witnesses who saw a man meeting Wallace’s description, yet you welcome the Warren Commission testimony of Howard Brennan who claims he saw a man more resembling Oswald. Give me a break!!
First of all, Obama deliberately targeted and killed U.S. citizens in drone strikes, without those individuals ever having been given their constitutional right to due process of law. If some don't believe it, just research it. The Patriot Act was the law every leftist elite dreamed of having, unfortunately, 9-11 gave them the excuse to bring it about. And as for the Kennedy assasination, the fact that the intelligence agencies are still trying to block the files tells us they are hiding something. It doesn't matter whether Oswald was a great marksman. Oswald may still not have been the only killer. You need to follow the money.
You are embarrassing yourself here. Oswald did not “flee” the depository. When Roy Truly and Officer Marrion L. Baker first confronted Oswald immediately after the assassination, Oswald was not on his way out - he was in the second floor cafeteria drinking a soda. When Mrs. Robert Reid later confronted him on the second floor, Oswald was “moving at a very slow pace,” and not racing anywhere. Witness testimony from the Warren Commission itself shows why the Warren Commission conclusion that it was possible for Oswald to fire three gunshots from the sixth floor, have time to hide the rifle and run down four flights of stairs, only to be seen in the second floor lunchroom of the Texas School Book Depository building approximately 75 seconds after the shooting, is wrong. A letter found in the twenty-six volumes of the Warren Commission report demonstrates why this was impossible. Victoria Adams, a twenty-three-year-old woman who worked on the fourth floor of the building, from where she and co-workers Sandra Styles, Elsie Dorman, and Dorothy May Garner were watching the motorcade, was on the wooden staircase running to the first floor entrance immediately after the shooting and neither saw nor heard Oswald. It is important to note that Adams was running down the stairs in three-inch heels, an impediment to her pace, and that she saw Book Depository superintendent Roy Truly and Dallas police officer Marion L. Baker running up the stairs. Truly and Baker would immediately encounter a calm Oswald in the second floor lunchroom calmly sipping a Coke. The Warren Commission’s depiction of Oswald’s hasty flight from the sixth floor to the second was impossible. When Adams told her story, which negated Oswald’s flight from the sixth floor, she was met with resistance. “I do not believe a word you are saying,” David Belin, an assistant counsel on the Warren Commission, told Adams dismissively. Years later, Styles and May Garner, who were not called to testify for the Warren Commission, would corroborate Adams’s story. This is but one example of the systematic seizing of witnesses whose testimony bolstered the Commission’s conclusions while at the same time ignoring witnesses who contradicted the Commission’s version of events.
Oswald was not the killer but was in fact on both the CIA and FBI payroll.
And you are absolutely correct about the warmonger-in-Chief Obama and Bush’s unpatriotic Patriot Act.
And where does the money lead to? War, Federal Reserve, Drugs. All three of which the Kennedy brothers were against. What else do we know about the Kennedy's? They were hawks and anti communists. So it's bogus they wanted to befriend the Castro's. Both Kennedy brothers were tricked into the Bay of Pigs fiasco. They were fooled into believing that it would work. Why were they fooled? Because the leftist Johnson/Hoover/Bush etc. elite's had a whole different plan for the Southern Border of the America's. How could a fat bearded useless thug like Castro beat the USA? We have a military base in Cuba, for pete's sakes.
Why not ask yourselves about Zapata oil? Why would George H.W. Bush name his bogus offshore oil company after a communist Mexican leader? Was this a CIA inside joke?
My grandfather was a very good friend of Jack Kennedy. They graduated together. We have his letters. There wasn't a leftist bone in his body. And he was going to rid the world of communism, and started it by firing some of the culprits in the CIA. They did a real number on him and his brother.
Trump said he was releasing all records except those that may contain names of people still living. Gee, I wonder who that might be. As for George H.W. Bush, I think Roger Stone summed up his role quite well in his book The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ:
"No one acted more curiously than future President George H. W. Bush on the day President Kennedy was shot. For over twenty years, Bush claimed he couldn’t remember where he was on that day. In fact, he went out of his way to create an alibi and dissemble about where he really was on November 21 and 22, 1963.
I have a unique experience with George H. W. Bush: I helped bar his assent to the presidency in 1980. It would be a major mistake to assume Bush’s unfailingly polite, friendly, affable, and sometimes goofy style as benign. Don’t fall for the vapidity and obfuscation. Underneath it lie consuming political ambition, steely determination, boundless energy, and remarkable physical discipline for relentless travel to pursue his political goals. Barbara Bush brings a vindictive streak; she remembers everyone who was not for her husband. Despite his “nice guy” image, George Bush is high-handed, secretive, and fueled by an incredible sense of entitlement.
He is also disciplined and extremely well organized. He was a model candidate, traveling relentlessly, shaking hands, writing notes, and building his friends list. He was always collecting: people, addresses, supporters, and money. Only Richard Nixon was a more indefatigable campaigner
George H. W. Bush is the son of US Senator Prescott S. Bush. As did his son, Prescott graduated from Yale where he had been a member of the secret Skull and Bones society. He was an investment banking partner at Brown Brothers Harriman, a golfing partner of Eisenhower, and a pillar of the Eastern Establishment.
A tall imposing man and heavy drinker, Prescott was a man whose wrath you didn’t want. He narrowly lost the US Senate seat in 1950 when it was revealed in the heavily Catholic state of Connecticut that he and his wife had contributed to Planned Parenthood. In 1952, Prescott would win a special election to fill the seat of Senator Brien McMahon, who died unexpectedly. He was friendly with John Foster and Allen Dulles, Wall Street lawyers who represented Brown Brothers.
In 1952, George Bush served as Co-Chair of Citizens for Eisenhower– Nixon in Midland County, Texas, where he had relocated to work for Dresser Industries and later founded the Zapata Petroleum Company and Zapata Offshore. In his masterful book, Family of Secrets, author and reporter Russ Baker established that both Dresser and Zapata had been used as covers for CIA business.
According to a CIA internal memo dated November 29, 1975, Zapata Petroleum began in 1953 through Bush’s joint efforts with Thomas J. Devine, a CIA staffer who had resigned his agency position that same year to go into private business, but who continued to work for the CIA under commercial cover.
George Bush, known to his Ivy League friends as “Poppy,” may have been associated with the CIA as early as 1953. Fabian Escalante, the chief of a Cuban counterintelligence unit during the late 1950s and early 1960s, describes a plan called “Operation 40” that was put into effect by the National Security Council and presided over by Vice President Richard Nixon. Escalante said that Nixon, as operation director or “case officer,” had assembled an important group of businessmen headed by George Bush and Jack Crichton, both Texas oilmen, to gather the necessary funds for the operation. Operation 40, a group of CIA assassins, was subsequently brought into the Bay of Pigs invasion. Interestingly, CIA official Fletcher Prouty delivered three Navy ships to agents in Guatemala to be used in the invasion. Prouty claims that he delivered the ships to a CIA agent named George Bush. Agent Bush named the ships Barbara J, Houston, and Zapata......In 1985, a memo dated November 29, 1963 from FBI director Hoover came to light in which he discussed reactions among Cuban exiles to the JFK assassination. Hoover said, “George Bush of the CIA had been briefed."
In 1988, reporting for The Nation, Joseph McBride asked Vice President George Bush’s office for comment. Bush’s representatives claimed that he “didn’t know what you are talking about.” Bush also said it “must be another George Bush.”
At first, the CIA said that there was no employee named George Bush at the CIA in 1963. After McBride wrote his story, the CIA would change theirs. There was a George William Bush detailed from another agency in 1963, but the CIA could not find him. McBride didn’t have trouble finding him— he was still on the payroll. George William Bush said that he had been detailed only briefly to the agency and denied knowing anything about a briefing regarding anti-Castro elements and what they might do in the wake of Kennedy’s murder. In fact, George William Bush was a lowly clerk. Did the CIA plant this George Bush as a “cut-out” to shield the real George Bush?
In 1988, a second FBI document was revealed. In a memo from Houston FBI agent in charge, Graham Kitchel, (whose brother George Kitchel was a Bush political supporter and friend), it was reported that George Bush had called the Houston FBI bureau with a tip on November 22, 1963 at 1: 58 p.m., only six minutes after Walter Cronkite would announce to the world that JFK was dead. This memo makes Bush’s claim that he could not remember where he was on November 22, 1963 all the more incredible....
...Here’s how "Poppy" covered his tracks on that day: George registered himself and Barbara Bush for a two-night stay at the Dallas Sheraton November 21 and 22. On the morning of November 22, after their first night in Dallas, they flew by private plane to Tyler, Texas, about one hundred miles away, where the GOP Senate candidate was to speak at a local Kiwanis Club luncheon.
According to an eyewitness account published in Kitty Kelley’s The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty, Bush had just started to speak when news of the shooting reached the club. “I gave the news to the president of the club, Wendell Cherry, and he leaned over to tell George that wires from Dallas confirmed President Kennedy had been assassinated,” Aubrey Irby recalled in the book.
“George stopped his speech and told the audience what had happened. ‘In view of the president’s death,’ he said, ‘I consider it inappropriate to continue with a political speech at this time. Thank you very much for your attention.’ Then he sat down.”
Who could forget such a moment? More importantly, why would Bush lie about it? Because he was attempting to cover his trail and make a plausible denial case against personal involvement, just as CIA agents are instructed?
On the night of November 21, 1963, “Poppy” attended an oil contractors' association meeting in Dallas, and he stayed for drinks afterward. This would seem to preclude his presence at a party at the home of Clint Murchison, which Oliver Stone made iconic in his movie Nixon. I believe this Murchison affair did take place, and I believe that Nixon was there but left early. I think LBJ did come late. Jack Ruby would supply the girls to entertain the business and government titans, according to Madeleine Brown.
Barbara said that their friend Zeppo’s private plane transported them to Tyler. This was, in fact, oilman Joe Zeppa, partners with Bush friend John Alston Crichton in a private offshore drilling company. Swashbuckling right-wing oilman Jack Crichton had deep ties to Army intelligence and the events of November 22, 1963. Fabian Escalante, the chief of a Cuban counterintelligence unit during the late 1950s and early 1960s, George Bush and Jack Crichton, both Texas oilmen, gathered the necessary funds for the operation to assassinate Castro. In fact, Crichton is woven into the fabric of the Kennedy assassination.
The Bushes’ entertaining a spy and his wife is yet another curious agency tie. According to Barbara Bush, she and her husband had lunch with longtime CIA operative Alfred Ulmer and his wife Dorothy during the week of November 22. Thus, George and Barbara were drinking Bloody Marys with an expert on assassination and coup d’état only days before the assassination of JFK. This is particularly curious in view of the fact that Bush would deny any connection to the CIA prior to his becoming director in 1975."
The CIA never had any intentions of killing Castro. Castro was CIA. He worked for us. If the CIA wanted Castro dead, he would be dead. Cuba was used for something else. The future was not in oil anymore, but in drugs. Cuba is its headquarters. And Castro is the kingpin. This is why the intelligence agencies don't want the real story to come out. Because they trained Castro, for a business, they pretend to fight against. That's how corrupt our government is. And this is why Trump is hated. He's an outsider, and so far, won't play the game.
Do you believe Boston/Sandy Hook were false flags too?
No, but the Cuban missile crisis was a false flag. If it wasn't why are our missiles still in Turkey?
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