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2017 Predictions

Discussion in 'Coffee House' started by Heidi, Dec 30, 2016.

  1. MMM

    MMM Principalities

    The brown dwarf aka second sun thread will return only to drop down after it still doesn't appear. Antonio will retire like Charlie did.

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  2. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    In 2017, I anticipate crucial prophecies of Fatima and Garabandal to unfold.

    The following Fatima prophecy seems a probability to me. ISIS or Russia or both with destroy the Vatican and you will see Lucia's following vision come to fruition: "And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it’ a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father.’ Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step.” Afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way. Having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him.”

    We don't know, but I assume the "Bishop dressed in white" is not Pope Francis (perhaps he is killed in the conflict within the Vatican and his knees are not healthy enough to climb a mountain). I think the "Bishop in white" is Pope Benedict, which is spoken of in another prophecy in the book www.godspeakswillyoulisten.org and the rest of this prophecy comes about as follows:

    10/17/07 "Please read the last part of Apocalypse 12:4. It states: And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered: that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. Now, my people read Apocalypse 12:5: And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod. And her son was taken up to God and to his throne. My church is to rule the nations spiritually through my vicar, the Pope. These verses are literally being fulfilled before your eyes. Pope Benedict XVI is the man child elected through the power of the Holy Spirit to rule with a rod of iron. My son, the Pope is my instrument being used to purify my church. His recent proclamations and decisions are setting my church on the narrow road to heaven. Once his mission is accomplished, he will be taken home to be with his Lord and Master".

    Then the Garabandal prophecy "when communism returns" and "when things are at its worst" will then come the Warning and Miracle followed by the 3.5 years of that Anitchrist reign on earth prior to the era of peace promised at Fatima.
     
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  3. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Conchita has been "silenced by the church"?
     
  4. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Fatima, Is that a quote from DSWYL what you have after 10/17/07? If so, can you provide the link to it? Thank you.
     
  5. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Yes, there is more on this message as follows: https://www.scribd.com/doc/22505473/God-Speaks-Will-You-Listen

    10/17/07 "My people read my holy word. Ask my Holy Spirit to guide and teach you. As you read this message, have my holy word with you. Apocalypse 12:1 has already been explained to you. It refers to my blessed Mother at Fatima and to my holy church. You are now living verses 2-9. My people verses 2 and 5 describe my church electing popes who are faithful to my word and teachings of my church. For many years, Satan has been at battle with St. Michael and my angels. Pope Leo XIII gave a prayer to St. Michael for the faithful, to ask for his protection. In Malachais 2:7, my word states: For the lips of the priest shall keep knowledge, and they shall seek the law at his mouth because he is the angel of the Lord of Hosts. My priests are described as my angels or messengers to this sinful world. St. Michael is the protector of my church. He has been battling the forces of evil with my holy popes for many years. Satan succeeded in infiltrating the hierarchy of my church with masons, communists, and other apostate clergy. This is referred to in Apocalypse 12:4 as the tail of the dragon casting 1/3 of the stars of heaven to the earth. In the book of Apocalypse, heaven can be a description of my church. On this earth, my church is my representative. My church brings salvation and my presence to mankind through the sacraments and particularly through my holy Eucharist.

    Apocalypse 12:4 and verses 7-9 are the fulfillment of the vision of Pope Leo XIII.Satan the dragon is now being cast out of heaven or my church and his angels or apostate clergy with him. My people all of the scandals, which are taking place in my church, are part of the purification and casting out of the dragon from my church. For there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed: nor hidden that shall not be known. Luke 12:2. My church will once again be the light to the nations. Apocalypse 12:4 and verses 7-9 are the fulfillment of the vision of Pope Leo XIII.Satan the dragon is now being cast out of heaven or my church and his angels or apostate clergy with him. My people all of the scandals, which are taking place in my church, are part of the purification and casting out of the dragon from my church. For there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed: nor hidden that shall not be known. Luke 12:2. My church will once again be the light to the nations.

    Please read the last part of Apocalypse 12:4. It states: And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered: that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son. Now, my people read Apocalypse 12:5: And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod. And her son was taken up to God and to his throne. My church is to rule the nations spiritually through my vicar, the Pope. These verses are literally being fulfilled before your eyes. Pope Benedict XVI is the man child elected through the power of the Holy Spirit to rule with a rod of iron. My son, the Pope is my instrument being used to purify my church. His recent proclamations and decisions are setting my church on the narrow road to heaven. Once his mission is accomplished, he will be taken home to be with his Lord and Master. Then, my people you will see the fulfillment of Daniel 12:11: And from the time when the continual sacrifice shall be taken away and the abomination unto desolation shall be set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days and Apocalypse 12:6: And the woman (or my church) fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared by God, that they should feed her, a thousand two hundred sixty days. My people, prepare yourself for persecution, martyrdom, and fleeing to my refuges. Once Satan has been cast down from heaven, read what will take place. My word states in Apocalypse 12:13: And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman who brought forth the man child. Now read Apocalypse 12:17: And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. My people, Satan is going to persecute my church, since he has been cast out of my church. He is going to use lukewarm Catholics, apostate Protestants, and the antichrist to persecute my faithful Catholics. My people the time is shorter than you realize. My church is being purified. I am giving you this warning to prepare those who have ears to hear. Apocalypse 12:12 states: Therefore,rejoice, O heavens, and you that dwell therein. Woe to the earth and to the sea, because the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time. Satan knows his time is limited. My holy word clearly states to you that the reign of Satan through the antichrist will last 3 ½ years. I warn you my people, prepare your soul today for persecution. If you do not trust in the Lord completely, you will not survive the days to come. My people, the antichrist is being allowed by my Father as a chastisement to mankind for rejecting my Father’s mercy through his son, for rejecting my Blessed Mother’s messages, and for rejecting my Father as Creator and Lord of all creation.Mankind is once again saying to God Almighty: I will not serve. My Father will show this sinful generation what life without God is like. The antichrist is the fulfillment of my Father’s will on mankind. The antichrist is the instrument of my Father’s justice on this earth. Nothing happens without my Father’s will being done on earth. Do not give Satan credit for anything. He is also subject to my Father’s will. To repeat myself once again: Prepare my people for persecution and to be marked and grazed by the followers of the antichrist. This will happen as my holy word prophesies. Then, I will come with the brightness of my coming through the power of the Holy Spirit and cast the antichrist and his followers into hell. My world will then be renewed and an era pf peace given to mankind. Take heed to my warnings. Have confidence my people, for I have over come the world. Do not allow yourself to be source of division in my church. Be a source of love and unity. This hour of mercy is coming to an end and the justice and wrath of Almighty God are upon this wicked generation. These are the words of Jesus Christ to his faithful remnant. Amen".
     
  6. Mario

    Mario Powers

    These verses are literally being fulfilled before your eyes. Pope Benedict XVI is the man child elected through the power of the Holy Spirit to rule with a rod of iron. My son, the Pope is my instrument being used to purify my church. His recent proclamations and decisions are setting my church on the narrow road to heaven. Once his mission is accomplished, he will be taken home to be with his Lord and Master.

    This particular interpretation from the above post can be seen as a legitimate for our moment in history. Of course, in the context of when it was authored it is a direct reference to Jesus Christ.

    Safe in the God of Revelation!
     
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  7. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Fatima,

    Thank you for posting this but if this the only era of peace that we are to receive than we are very close to the end.

    Then, I will come with the brightness of my coming through the power of the Holy Spirit and cast the antichrist and his followers into hell. My world will then be renewed and an era of peace given to mankind.

    I believe that the era of peace above is referring to the New Heaven and the New Earth which occurs after Judgment and the end of the world.
    From our catechism, http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P1X.HTM,

    681 On Judgement Day at the end of the world, Christ will come in glory to achieve the definitive triumph of good over evil which, like the wheat and the tares, have grown up together in the course of history.

    In your post, it is stated that Pope Benedict is the man child spoken of in the Book or Revelation and upon his death the world will experience the abomination of desolation for 1290 days as spoken of in Daniel 12:11. If this is all true, then most if not all of the prophecies about a Great Monarch and a Holy Pope whom usher in an era of peace would either be incorrect or greatly misinterpreted.

    I honestly do not know what the future holds but am not certain about GSWYL at the moment. Anything is possible, I suppose.
     
  8. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Mario, Your understanding is that when they stated "Pope Benedict XVI", that was not really what was meant? I am not certain about that idea, this prophecy was given on 10/17/2007 when Pope Benedict was the reigning Pontiff. And they state, "His recent proclamations and decisions are setting my church on the narrow road to heaven." Would God give us such a definitive timeline to the end and put someone at risk like this? I can't help but question this but like I said anything is possible.
     
  9. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    I guess I have a different take on this as follows with the end of an age, not the world and the final judgement:
    • 1st tribulation, which comes from man that we have entered into, but will get much worse with militant communism returning and nuclear war.
    • Warning, which brings all believers/all religions together, as there will no longer be need of other religions or Christian denominations, since all will know truth and either accept it or reject it.
    • More evil begins to take place from those who rejected God's greatest gift of Mercy (the Warning), but a the Miracle of Garabandal takes place to fortify the faithful within a year of the Warning.
    • 2nd tribulation, which comes from God. These chastisements will be horrible and geographically changing.
    • 3.5 year reign of the Antichrist and False Prophet.
    • Angelic Shepherd and Holy Monarch do battle with the evil forces of the Antichrist and False Prophet.
    • 3 day's of Darkness, which climaxes the purification .
    • Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and Era of Peace promised at Fatima, which all will know came through the Mother of God.
    • Second Coming of Christ.
    • The fulfillment of the Our Father prayer, where his (thy will shall be done on earth as it is in heaven) for 1000 years (not literal, but figurative of a long era).
    • Second falling away of faith at some point with the end of the world.
    The one thing I see that could change is the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary could fit in after the Miracle of Garabandal prior to the era of the Antichrist and False Prophet.
     
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  10. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Carol,

    This locution was given in 2007 when Benedict had been Pope for about 2 years. He had set a course similar to Pope John Paul II by emphasizing a clear understanding of both doctrine and liturgy, and was building a strong hedge against the tide of heresy. By doing so one might say he was ruling with a rod of iron in our day, fulfilling the passage in Rev 12:5.

    However the broad, historical fulfillment of that verse's mention of ruling with a rod of iron is fulfilled by Jesus Christ.

    Safe in the Barque of Peter!
     
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  11. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    Fatima,
    I found it better to work from the Second Coming to where we are now, go from the end until now.

    The following two homilies on the end times helped me,
    Part 1: http://www.romans10seventeen.org/audio-files/20030105-The-End-Times-part-1.mp3 Part 2: http://www.romans10seventeen.org/audio-files/20030106-The-End-Times-part-2.mp3

    along with

    The Seven Ages of the Church according to the writings of Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser (1613-1658):
    1. Status Seminativus AD 30-70 *Apostles* From Christ and the Apostles until Pope Linus and the Emperor Nero
    2. Status Irrigativus AD 70-330 *Martyrs* 10 Persecutions of the Church
    3. Status Illuminativus AD 330-500 *Doctors* From Pope Sylvester to Leo III
    4. Status Pacificus AD 500-1500 *Christendom* From Pope Leo III to Leo X
    5. Status Afflictionis et Purgativus 1517-? *Heresy/Decline* From Leo X to a Strong Monarch/Holy Pope
    (many people think this age is ending soon)
    6. Status Consolationis ? *Triumph* From the Holy Pope until the Antichrist
    7. Status Desolationis ? *Antichrist/End* From the Antichrist to the End of the World

    In one of the homilies above the priests states this last age, the 7th age, is 1335 days long.

    So history proves that Ven. Holzhauser was correct about the first 4 ages of the church. The two homilies which I posted prove that the last age, the 7th age, consists of the 1290 days of the Antichrist's reign and 45 days later we have the second coming of Our Lord and the Final Judgment, the End of the World.

    So, I think if we try and make any predictions about the future we can only state what we think the 5th and 6th ages will look like. It is very important for Catholics to understand that after the Antichrist's reign (the beast's reign spoken of in Revelation) that Our Lord will return for the final judgment. The priest in those homilies is very explicit about stating that anything outside of this teaching is heresy.
     
  12. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    That makes no sense to me. Church teaching is that the AC will reign on earthy prior to the second coming of Jesus when Jesus will destroy the AC with the breath from His mouth. Jesus will then judge his people, rewarding the good with everlasting life and condemning the bad to everlasting punishment. That's more than a simple "era of peace" which sounds like a limited period of time rather than all eternity. The promise of Fatima wasn't the second coming of Christ.
     
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  13. Mario

    Mario Powers

    According to this position, Mark Mallet is a heretic because I'm pretty sure he believes the final rebellion is subsequent to that of the AntiChrist. For Mark, the brief reign of the Man of Lawlessness is prior to the "thousand years." I think it was Stephen Walford whom Mark debated with, right here on MOG, concerning this issue.

    Rev 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

    Safe in the Hands of the Lord of History!
     
  14. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Like I said in my last sentence: The one thing I see that could change is the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary could fit in after the Miracle of Garabandal prior to the era of the Antichrist and False Prophet.
    I, like everyone else, do not know the period of the "Era of Peace" that our Lady of Fatima spoke of. It seems likely to me that it could come after the Miracle of foretold at Garabandal, which ends when man falls to the counterfeit miracles from the Antichrist period to follow.
    I don't buy into the Antichrist's reign only at the time of the end of the world. We are not near the end of the world, but we are at the end of an era, which an Antichrist will bring about. There may well be another form of Antichrist at the end of the world, no one know with certainty. Mark Mallett has written much on this as well and I tend to think as he has written on this. Each to his own.
     
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  15. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    You are correct. Mark, Steve and Peter argued their thinking on this for a long time on MOG. One can search this discussion which took place a couple of years ago.
     
  16. Carol55

    Carol55 Powers

    I have to stick with the church, unless someone can clearly show me that it is not the church's teaching than that is a different situation. I think highly of both Mario and Fatima but I respect to disagree at the moment.

    I heard other's explain about multiple antichrists but when I read then end of the section from GSWYL, "Prepare my people for persecution and to be marked and grazed by the followers of the antichrist. This will happen as my holy word prophesies. Then, I will come with the brightness of my coming through the power of the Holy Spirit and cast the antichrist and his followers into hell. My world will then be renewed and an era pf peace given to mankind. Take heed to my warnings. Have confidence my people, for I have over come the world. Do not allow yourself to be source of division in my church. Be a source of love and unity. This hour of mercy is coming to an end and the justice and wrath of Almighty God are upon this wicked generation. These are the words of Jesus Christ to his faithful remnant. Amen" this appears to be after the Warning.
     
  17. djmoforegon

    djmoforegon Archangels

    Carol, could you repost the two links to the homilies? I couldn't get them to work. Thanks.
     
  18. earthtoangels

    earthtoangels Powers

    Mark Mallett's take on an AC before the New Era with the backup of his usual foundation of early Church Fathers, Catechism, and more:

    (Fr. Iannuzzi has similar take on AC before this Era and one before final judgment time)

    CREATION REBORN
    Posted on February 18, 2017 by Mark

    https://www.markmallett.com/blog/2017/02/18/creation-reborn/
     
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  19. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Carol (and others), I suggest you spend some time looking a the thread Divine Will revisited on the MOG forum. It is one of the most interesting debate on Padraigs forum with several theologians and spiritual heavy weights in our faith discussing this very topic that I have addressed. If you wanted to be shown where this understanding and teaching of what I spoke of comes from then this is the place to go to learn what the church, scripture, saints, early church fathers, popes and prophets have said on this subject.
     
  20. Dolours

    Dolours Powers

    Thanks for that. I've read some others of Mark's reflections and he strikes me as a very good, holy person. The Church Fathers didn't all share the same interpretation of the chaining of Satan for 1,000 years. Although Mark's view doesn't contradict the official position of the Church, I'm more convinced by what is described as "Amillialism" in this piece from Catholics United for the Faith: http://www.cuf.org/2004/03/apocalypse-not-now-the-church-the-millennium-and-the-rapture/ and this from a priest in response to a question submitted to EWTN: http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=349277&Pg=&Pgnu=&recnu=

    While I wouldn't want to suggest that Mark is exaggerating or overly optimistic, my take on Our Lady of Fatima's promise of a period of peace is more on the lines of a period without a world war rather than Mark's: "Love, expressed in obedience to God’s will, will help renew and heal creation in cooperation with the creative power of the Holy Spirit. The humility of the People of God in the coming era will imitate that of the Blessed Mother with a profound impact upon the world. This will be the fruit of the Triumph of her heart that she promised at Fatima: a “period of peace” that will resound throughout all of creation."
     
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