Are the locutions of LTTW authentic.

Discussion in 'Marian Apparitions' started by jerry, Apr 29, 2014.

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Are the locutions of LTTW, locutions.org authentic

  1. yes

    9 vote(s)
    11.7%
  2. no

    33 vote(s)
    42.9%
  3. still discerning

    35 vote(s)
    45.5%
  1. Jon

    Jon Archangels

    I occasionally look at LTTW messages, but end up with the same general feeling that you just expressed above. Just prior to your post, I had decided to read the one mentioned by you here, and I remember reading the sentence referring to how she must now reveal these secrets, and then did not reveal anything.

    These are my personal observations/opinions: I get the sense that the person "receiving" locutions is genuinely perceiving that she is receiving something. And I am not saying that I think it is demonic. However, I also get the sense that there is an inordinate amount of the "seer's" imagination, opinion, and thoughts that are getting mixed into the locution.

    I guess what leads me to those opinions is:
    1) That there seems to be less prophetic material than there is editorial content about current and recent events (which seems to line up with your opinion that there isn't much "outside of today's news")
    2) That the interpretations even, of the current events/"today's news", are often reflecting one side of the mainstream media's propaganda story, and not indicative of a heavenly view of the truth (which also seems to line up with your opinion that the locutions are incorrectly interpreting the news of the day).
     
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  2. picadillo

    picadillo Guest


    Exactly Jon. She keeps "revealing" the truth. I still am trying to figure out what that means, Also, only 8 out of 57 votes say yes to the belief of an authentic apparition. I am more in line with the beliefs of Charlie Johnston.
     
  3. misericordia

    misericordia New Member

    As a bit of a political wonk, I think her remarks concerning Iran are spot on. AMERICA has ABANDONDED it's tried and true policy in regards to Iranian nuclear potential, and US foreign policy starting with Libya, the first undeclared, unauthorized war in US history, has been an utter lethal mess.
     
  4. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Don't need LTTW to tell us what most everyone in the world already knows. Everyone knows the US leadership is a mess.
     
  5. misericordia

    misericordia New Member

    Yes Fatima, we all know that it's a mess. The trouble is, well meaning people, are all for it, effectively giving carte blanche for nukes. This is WWIII to me, unless ISIS beheads us first.
    The thing is we know that after the warning, the muslims are with us....let that inform you who will be against us, and it's not the faithful of any stripe.
     
  6. misericordia

    misericordia New Member

    Also, LTTW was 100 % right about Syria going on for as long as it has, as opposed to the unrest fomented in other parts of the middle east. Many of my friends came home from Saudi after this started, the middle east powder keg underwritten by uncle sam's 'nation building'. You have to be into this stuff to see how right Our Lady is in all of this. It was her home, after all, and much biblical prophesy about the end times covers this. Eschatology is not for faint of heart, but I was shocked by the truth of what she says, and once that "seven nation army" surrounds Israel, that's all she wrote.
     
  7. misericordia

    misericordia New Member

    I keep thinking about Myrna Nazzour, the stigmatic in Damascus who said, "A light shall come from the east." These things are all tied together. The years and years of lights over Coptic churches of Egpyt, The Blessed Mother appearing to millions there. That too was her home. After reading so many apparitions, you just know some terrible genocide/war/famine/plague soon follows these Heavenly lights.
     
  8. And the fact has been with these LTTW messages is that She is always ahead of any news. News reports and comments act surprised that Putin is not seeming to stop at the edge of Ukraine. Reading such naive rationale makes you think they see him as some kind of Orthodox altar boy! She warned and continues to warn of this world nemesis and we now see war ships in English Channel et al. Nothing there. Just move along. Pope Francis speaks of being in WWIII....only piecemeal. Our Lady here speaks of a WWIII that will be far worse than any before. We will likely see this as Iran soon produces a nuke there which is the current catalyst for Saudi Arabia and the others to quickly arm themselves as well with such. Then the nutcase controllers of that entire area will happily bring on their Mahdi via regional (if not world) destruction and chaos. The feckless, now pacifist West will watch as their various ships of state head right into the nuclear iceberg....suicidal. And so far I haven't read in any world news reports that the world can rely on no leader's power but only the power of the "Woman Clothed with the Sun" and must ask for that help. Nope, other than LTTW's remedy as reported, the world doesn't have a clue as to their only remedy. The world needs to be enlightened as well by the help given in LTTW!!
     
  9. Sanctus

    Sanctus Guest

    In the locution for December 12th 2012 Our Lady says "The fullness of this idolatry has not yet been reached. The person has not yet appeared on the scene who will use these worldwide powers of communication to try to lead the whole world astray. However, that moment is closer than anyone suspects." I read that locution a few times and I often wonder who she is talking about... The Anti-Christ perhaps?
     
  10. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Disclaimer: I am not shilling for Vladimir Putin.

    Everyone has known the middle east is a powder keg waiting to blow. Duh.

    If it weren't for Putin's backing of Assad all Syrian Christians would be on the verge of extinction. Why does LTTW keep condemning/judging Putin when it is the US's meddling, as you have correctly pointed out, that has helped create and inflame the situation there.

    I may be wrong and if so someone please correct me, I thought only God can judge a person's motives and state of soul. "First off, “to judge”, as it is used in “Judge not, lest you be judged”, means to condemn someone on moral grounds, and then to pass judgment. Only God can condemn and pass judgment. " If this is true then LTTW is a false apparition and Msgr Esseff should cease and desist and give all a mea culpa for backing LTTW.
     
  11. "Everyone has known the middle east is a powder keg waiting to blow. Duh."

    Apparently not the dear leader, Obama as he aids and abets. And such current immediacy for the actual "blowing" has been fermented by Mr. Putin. Hmmm....birds of a feather! Stating current geo-political actions by world leaders (or refraining from any opposition to said violent actions) is simply being forewarned as most sane people normally do for the sake of continuing human existence on planet earth. Actions should be judged and when necessary condemned. The notation of the power behind such blatant threats to the world/Israel is just obvious....not an occasion to create straw men with accusations of any attempt to replace God's ultimate judgment. And, btw, admonishing the sinner in the spiritual works of mercy is impossible if one does not recognize the enemy. In any private revelations involving God's Mother, it is recognized that she speaks whatever words she does only with God's permission, under obedience. And God does not punish without warning first His children. And these warnings, beforehand, have been pretty accurate and necessary for a Godless world.
     
  12. misericordia

    misericordia New Member

    Picadillo, I am a bit 'duh' now that you mention it, "master of the obvious", if you will. :)
    You rightly defend Putin in regards to Syrian Christians. My point is, Russia HAS spread her 'errors to the world', the European Union being case in point, (one currency, exporting great hardship to the PIIGS), the US hegemony creating monetary catastrophies world wide via the IMF, and their patently diabolical repayment by raping the needy countries resources. All these centralizations destroy individual nations,

    Remember God's economy; David made a census, - God was not pleased. The reason seems to be that by cunning, Satan had David number his troops and could thereby plot to overthrow him. So Satan put it in the head of David to count everybody. Which of course then Rome does to extract taxes to the final drop.
    See any parallels with national debt today?

    The Israelites wanted a King to rule them, but God had given the prophets, in the end he gave them Saul, tall, imposing, but who hid under a barrel when he was called. But then of course with David and then Christ, God can turn it all around, make even the prophet-killing Israelites the channel to redemption for all mankind.

    So even though we hate politics, and go blind even thinking about it, we are charged to know and pray on it.

    If we had listened to Our Lady of Fatima, this would have been avoided, but God will turn all to good, we just have to burn away our attachments in His Light.
     
  13. misericordia

    misericordia New Member

    When your pensions and your welfare cheques end, you will get very political very fast. This is what they call 'unfunded liabilities', and they have already confiscated them in a few countries.
     
  14. misericordia

    misericordia New Member

    Also, as Rome collapsed, property taxes were increased to where the burden was unsustainable by Romans themselves. They walked away from their properties. Rome went from a population of 100k+ to a few thousand in a matter of decades. This is how empires fall. They are gutted by the oligarchs on the way down.

    But back to Our Lady. She told us the Pope would step down, we scoffed. One year later to the day it was announced. Is that too political?

    Now she says the centre of Our Church will be moved to Jerusalem after the Pope is martyred there. This will cause the schism. Some will stay in Rome, where the money and the pomp is.

    The true pontiff will be in Jerusalem.
     
  15. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    Completely c
    Completely correct in my humble opinion.
     
  16. Here are the latest messages from "Locutions to the World" w/ Msgr Esseff's comments:

    Revealing the Great Secrets (cont'd)
    Apr. 12: 3. A Hundred Years of Evil

    Apr. 13: 4. The Power of the New Eve

    Apr. 14: 5. New World Leaders

    Apr. 15: 6. Casting New Fire Upon the Church

    http://www.locutions.org/category/revealing-the-great-secrets/
     
  17. Mystical Rose

    Mystical Rose New Member

    This one is a no. The reason? Because they are a play by play on current events, like reading the news. Another thing is that they are WAY TOO POLITICAL. Politics is a worldly issue. Heaven doesn't speak on it. The genuine ones talk about repentance, prayer , fasting, living your lives for God, etc. The LTTW ones are not genuine 'material'.
     
  18. Well, my take is that the same Mary was extremely geo-political in her messages at Fatima....very much so. And somehow I haven't and didn't see the media reporting on an upcoming conclave before even any mention of Benedict deciding officially to retire; nor that the new Pope would be a "game changer" before he had even begun to act so quickly, taking on big changes; nor that a man who had always been a home body, disliking to travel outside of his own neighborhoods, would be a "Missionary Pope" as he has; nor that he would be a man/pope of Fatima before he ever dedicated, via the Fatima Cardinal Patriarch of Lisbon, his pontificate to Our Lady of Fatima; nor that Syria would be the fuse to light and spread the Middle East fire, destroying former borders BEFORE that gradually occurred; nor to concentrate solely on Israel/Jerusalem; nor that Putin would definitely move on beyond his original incursions into Ukraine; nor that no earthly leader or political answer would come to any solution ANYWHERE on earth, but only that her Immaculate Heart would provide the answer....very great emphasis of the spiritual over the world. And now with all the phony "treaty" business.... that the war with Israel is "inevitable". At Fatima she predicted that that current war would end and then be followed by another worse one. "Heaven doesn't speak on such things?" I would beg to differ. Even scripture itself warns of "wars and rumors of wars" and that the Father always warns His children before His justice/purification takes place so that they might repent and return to Him. This seems to follow Heaven's protocol of just that promise.
     
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  19. Yes, Andy!
     
  20. picadillo

    picadillo Guest

    My take is a definite no. Please read Charlie Johnston advice instead of trying to find out what is going to happen. That is the reason I believe in Medj. Simple message, pray, pray, and pray and then got to confession. I notice all the articles about Russia when someone is murdered accusing Putin, but none on these , and who is responsible? Reason: It does not fit in with these so-called locutions.


    Series of ‘bizarre suicides’ & murders: Former Ukrainian MP shot dead in Kiev
    Published time: April 16, 2015 00:50
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    A former Ukrainian MP and active anti-Maidan activist, Oleg Kalashnikov, has been killed in his flat in Kiev. His killing is the latest in a series of odd deaths plaguing former government officials and ex-President Yanukovich’s party members.

    The 52-year-old was found dead at his residence in Kiev on Wednesday evening. His death was “caused by a gunshot,” the Interior Ministry said in a statement announcing a police inquiry. Ukraine’s criminal investigation chief Vasily Paskal, took the investigation under personal control and promised to share motives and the preliminary results of the probe with reporters as soon as they become available.

    The investigation is focused on five possible motives for the crime, according to Interior Minister’s senior adviser, Anton Gerashchenko.

    So far the investigation considers the primary possible motive behind the killing to be Kalashnikov’s “political activity” linked with his “participation in the organization and financing” of counter-revolutionary events in Ukraine. Gerashchenko emphasized that Kalashnikov “had knowledge” of the anti-Maidan movement that resisted the coup last year and continues to challenge new authorities in Kiev.

    “Without any doubt the deceased knew a lot about who and in what way financed anti-Maidan, which cost Yanukovich and his camarilla several million hryvnias per day. He takes these secrets with him to the grave,” Gerashchenko said, also listing some other leads on his Facebook page. Business debts, personal enmity, burglary attempt and “other versions of murder”are listed among other possible motives.

    Ukrainian media reported that before the murder Kalashnikov received threats of physical violence for his political views, in particular for his drive to defend Ukrainians’ right to widely celebrate the 70th anniversary of WWII victory.

    In a letter addressed to his friend before the murder, Kalashnikov allegedly wrote that an “open genocide on dissent, death threats and constant dirty insults” have become the “norm” following his open call to honor the memory of heroes and victims of the Great Patriotic War.

    An acting Ukrainian MP and ex-spokesman for the extremist Right Sector group, Borislav Bereza, went further and alleged that Kalashnikov has been eliminated by his “former employers,” who were tying up loose ends, “scared” he could disclose details of their past activities. While part of the secret was “taken to the grave,” some information remained in “electronic form,” Bereza stated

    “A series of bizarre suicides of ex-regionals [Members of the Party of Regions], and now the murder of Kalashnikov, raises questions to law enforcement authorities. I hope that Ukrainian society will get the answers,” Bereza said.

    Meanwhile, Oleg Tsarev, parliamentary speaker of the self-proclaimed Novorossiya, agreed that Kalashnikov’s murder is the latest link in a chain of mysterious deaths of former supporters of the Party of Regions.

    “Of course, this is a political murder. In Ukraine, it is now extremely difficult to maintain your point of view, not to give up, and to publicly express it,” Tsarev told Lifenews. “Of course, this is a retaliatory murder of the sane.”

    The murder is meant as a warning for all those who dare to oppose Kiev government, which can do anything against the opponents, Tsarev believes.

    In the past few months, at least eight former Ukrainian government officials died mysterious deaths, with most treated as suicides.

    On January 29, former chairman of Kharkov region government, Aleksey Kolesnik, was found hanged.

    On February 24, former Party of Regions member Stanislav Melnik died of a gunshot with his death treated as suicide.

    On February 25, several hours before his trial, the Mayor of Melitopol Sergey Valter was found hanged leaving no suicide note.

    The next day, February 26, deputy chief of Melitopol police, Aleksandr Bordyuga, who reportedly acted as Valter’s lawyer, was found dead in his garage.

    On February 26, a former MP and ex-chairman of Zaporozhye Regional State Administration was found dead with a gun wound to his neck. His death is being investigated as a suicide.

    On February 28, former member of the Party of Regions, Mikhail Chechetov, jumped from the window of his 17th floor apartment in Kiev, leaving a suicide note.

    On March 14, a 32-year-old prosecutor Sergey Melnichuk fell from a window of a 9th floor apartment in Odessa.
     

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