Evil Empire or Russia Consecrated?

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Richard67, Nov 18, 2014.

  1. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    Praetorian, Good post. I think that it may be true that, "There are no clear good guys and bad guys." especially when it comes to the leaders of a great number of countries in the world.

    On the subject of making comparisons between different nations, I think this is very difficult. I am probably much more aware of my own country's shortcomings and it's strengths, than I am aware of other countries' shortcomings and strengths.

    I found the following two charts which compare religion in the USA to religion in Russia to be interesting but this of course does not mean that those who categorize themselves in a particular religion are true observers of that particular religion. In any case, this is what Wikipedia has...
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    For me, the data in the charts is a little unexpected.

    In the USA, 73.7% of the population states that they are Christian and in Russia, 48.3% of the population states that they are Christian unless we include the 25% in Russia who claim to be "Spiritual but not Religious" than the percentage of Christians would be almost the same, approximately 73-74% for both countries.

    Ref. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Russia and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States
     
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  2. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Yes, it is my understanding that religious devotion is still very low on Russia. Even many who claim to be Orthodox only attend rarely if at all. They are still recovering from a long spell of enforced atheism. Government support of the church is helping bring those numbers up though. Look at the numbers from the 1990's.

    Of course the proportion who claim to be Christian in the USA is misleading too. That probably means the religion they were born into, not actually practicing. Most of my family for example would identify as Catholic, but the younger generations don't attend Church at all. In addition in the West being "Christian" often doesn't mean people believe the teachings of their particular church.
     
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  3. jackzokay

    jackzokay Powers

    Hats off to you Praetorian. That encapsulates the debate perfectly.

    Earth to Angels, I enjoyed our joust.

    If its all the same to you, we'll move on to the next topic...

    God bless you.
     
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  4. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    I agree there is no country better off than another today, as they all bring their evils. Take for instance, in America no person in the press goes missing or found dead if they write negative reviews of our President as is common in Russia. Obama for 8 years got a pass from our socialist press and he disdained our foundation on religious liberties. He put the most progressive socialist judges in every corner to the US including on the Supreme Court. He and is wife were the most evil of all abortion lovers and did much harm in promoting the killing of babies. Yes, America has brought it's morals and sex industry to that of Babylon, but Russia is known to have lead the world in the abortion and alcohol industry as well. Now even Catholic countries such as Ireland share in this abomination. God will purify it all in the end and no country or person will not feel it's sting.
     
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  5. Carol55

    Carol55 Ave Maria

    There is the Seth Rich case which is a little different than the example that you gave but still,



    Here is a new article about his murder, http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/was_seth_rich_killed_over_the_steele_dossier.html

    Here is another case which just occurred with a link to the Podesta's,
    https://freedomdaily.com/breaking-he-was-just-found-dead-after-her-disappearance/ .
    The following article is uncertain about the cause of Kevin Halligen's death,
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-42679242 .

    Only God knows.
     
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  6. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    I don't know anything about Seth Rich, but that stuff about the Podestas kidnapping Madeleine McCann strikes me as being a load of baloney. I don't believe a word of that Freedomdaily article.

    British news did a review of the McCann case a while ago. I watched it waiting to see the photofit pictures resembling the Podesta brothers but there were no such pictures. The British police had sent investigators to Portugal to re-examine the case. Had those pictures been considered by the police to be a genuine likeness of suspects, they would have been shown on the programme.

    There was a creche on the complex and the man seen carrying the child was very likely a holiday maker who had collected his child from the creche about the same time as the "suspect" was spotted. There were various other possible scenarios discussed, none of which would point to the Podestas. It stretches credulity to its limits to think that two multi-millionaires would risk everything to skulk around an apartment complex in the hope of kidnapping a child. Super-wealthy paedophiles pay others to take the risks. Looks like the investigator was a bit of a mess and misled the McCanns into believing he could help them until they wised up to him. Lord have mercy on his soul.

    There's enough scandal surrounding the Clintons. Wacky theories like the one about the Podestas kidnapping little Madeleine only serve to make the Clintons look like victims.
     
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  7. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Jackzokay, I meant to read that article when I had more time but then couldn't recall where it had been posted. Now that I've found your post again, I have bookmarked the link and will read it at the weekend.
     
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  8. AED

    AED Powers

    I think we have to be careful with these news sources . Fake news comes in many disguises these days .
     
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  9. AED

    AED Powers

    The Seth rich case is troubling. I wonder if we will ever know the facts.
     
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  10. davidtlig

    davidtlig Guest

    Here is an excellent, thoughtful, video about the revival of Christianity in Russia:

     
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  11. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    Putin Trashes Marx and Lenin: Practice Has Shown That Marxism Was Wrong, Family Matters!

     
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  12. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    https://www.rt.com/news/415883-putin-communist-ideology-christianity/

    Putin: Communist ideology similar to Christianity, Lenin’s body like saintly relics
    Published time: 14 Jan, 2018 18:04 Edited time: 15 Jan, 2018 06:28
    Russian President Vladimir Putin has likened communism to Christianity and Vladimir Lenin’s mausoleum in Moscow’s Red Square to the veneration of the relics of saints.
    “Maybe I’ll say something that someone might dislike, but that’s the way I see it,” Putin said in an interview for the documentary Valaam, an excerpt of which was broadcast on Russia 1. “First of all, faith has always accompanied us, becoming stronger every time our country, our people, have been through hard times.

    “There were those years of militant atheism when priests were eradicated, churches destroyed, but at the same time a new religion was being created. Communist ideology is very similar to Christianity, in fact: freedom, equality, brotherhood, justice – everything is laid out in the Holy Scripture, it’s all there. And the code of the builder of communism? This is sublimation, it’s just such a primitive excerpt from the Bible, nothing new was invented.”

    Putin went further by comparing the Communists’ attitude to the Bolshevik leader Lenin to the veneration of saints in Christianity. “Look, Lenin was put in a mausoleum. How is this different from the relics of saints for Orthodox Christians and just for Christians? When they say that there’s no such tradition in Christianity, well, how come, go to Athos and take a look, there are relics of the saints there, and we have holy relics here,” Putin concluded.

    After Lenin died in 1924, his body was embalmed and put on display in a mausoleum in Red Square, Moscow. The cult of Lenin was part of Soviet ideology. The public debate about the possibility of giving Lenin’s remains a proper burial began during the early days of Perestroika in the 1980s.

    Putin’s words were music to the ears of Communist Party members. “I think these words of the president very effectively and reasonably smooth out the acute angles around the theme of the mausoleum,” Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Ivan Melnikov said on Sunday, as cited by Interfax.

    He said however, that “communists and all the leftist patriotic forces [in Russia] understand that communism is close to Christianity as much as the form of capitalism that exists in our country and our economy today is far from Christianity.”

    Earlier this year, Gennadiy Zyuganov, the head of the Russian Communist Party, said Putin had promised him that as long as he remains president, Lenin’s body would remain in the mausoleum in Red Square.

    READ MORE: Putin promised to keep Lenin’s body in Moscow mausoleum, communists say

    “As long as I sit here, there will be no barbarism in Red Square,” the Communist chief quoted Putin as saying at a conference with Russian party leaders.

    According to Zyuganov, Putin also dismissed allegations that Lenin was not buried in accordance with Christian traditions. “As far as the form of the burial is concerned, they used the one that is also used in Orthodox Christianity – he lies a meter and a half below the ground level. Sepultures and cave burials have been known for a long time,” Putin said, according to Zyuganov.
     
  13. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    This will surprise some on the forum, but not me. His communistic mindset has never changed, but only his exterior habits for the sake of fooling the wannabe supporters if the regime.
     
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  14. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    There are more Communists in the West today than in Russia. You act as if Communism was something that originated in Russia. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Also, with the exception of the President of Poland and maybe a few other heads of state, Putin is really the only head of a superpower that receives the Sacraments (yes, the Orthodox Sacraments are valid) on a regular basis. Let that sink in for a moment.
     
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  15. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    In Russian, the statement clearly says that "Communism did not invent anything new, it was just primitive excerpt from Bible - equality, fraternity etc." It sounds rather as an attempt to turn followers of the communist ideology back to Christianity and, at the same time, it points at liberal contempt of the history and heritage of Russia. There is a messianic aspect to Communism, which is true of most "isms." Communism is essentially militant atheism, hedonism and militarism put into mandatory political practice. It targeted Orthodox Russia in 1917 for obvious reasons. It has been defeated there thanks to our Lady of Fatima but now has become entrenched in the formerly Christian West.
     
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  16. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Then shame on the minister who gives communion to an openly professed communist. Communism flows from Marxism, which got it's claim to evil from Freemasonry 300 years ago.
     
  17. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Some of what Putin said is very similar to what we have been hearing from Pope Francis. The Communists did pervert Christianity's concern for the poor. And there is a version of capitalism which is as far if not further from Christianity as communism. They did and do venerate their "Saint" Vladimir Lenin, paying homage at his burial site and erecting statues of him and their other "saints". The difference between their "saints" and our saints is that we know ours are in a place of perfect happiness whereas they believe their saints are no more than a memory whose legacy is abject failure and the near destruction of any country which followed their beliefs.

    Putin has cleverly not destroyed Lenin's mausoleum. Doing so would have energised the communists, including many Russian war veterans. The communists are not best pleased that Putin doesn't put on a big show to commemorate the revolution. They have their own little march instead. Destroying the mausoleum would be a rallying cry for them with the most likely beneficiaries being Putin's Western backed opponents who are as anti-Christian as any card carrying communist.

    Whatever anyone thinks of him and whatever his motives, Putin is a very clever politician.
     
  18. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Modern Catholic Dictionary
    by Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J.

    COMMUNISM.
    The social doctrine that affirms the community of goods and denies the right to ownership of private property. As analyzed in numerous papal documents since Pope Pius IX in 1846, Communism is based on a philosophy, a theory of history, and a definable strategy or methodology. This philosophy is dialectical materialism, which claims that matter and not spirit, and least of all the infinite Spirit who is God, is the primary reality in the universe; and that material forces in conflict (dialectic) explain all the progress in the world. The Communist theory of history claims that economics is the sole basis of human civilization, making all ethical, religious, philosophical, artistic, social, and political ideas the result of economic conditions. The strategy of Communism is a shifting expediency that defies analysis but has two constants that never really change: massive indoctrination of the people and ruthless suppression of any ideas or institutions that threaten totalitarian control by the Communist Party.
     
  19. If you do let it sink in a very scary chill runs up the spine. Communism as the system to spread the Marxist/Leninist philosophy of domination of course originated in Russia. It was the mechanism by which Satan's permitted "100" year period of time to conquer the believers was carried forth. With this continued belief in such a philosophy and enabling the population to continue this kind of forced dependency, such a "leader" receiving the sacraments is committing sacrilege. Your premise re: the number of Communists in the West today only proves Our Lady's warnings at Fatima about the continuing spread of Russian Communism throughout the world.....to the point now of those annihilation of nations.....due to the inaction of the Church (strongly forced by its own refusal to call out Communism in the agreement made with the Communists just prior to VII) and grave sins, therefore, against the faithful.

    There is the same approach today by Putin as the earliest attempts in the history of this spread....as in the same type of tactics in the Middle East as the Soviet's initial involvement there for the purpose of hegemony. ......"with the Soviets intent upon the ideological domination of Eurasia, the Soviets nurtured local Communist movements in the Middle East, and curried favor with anti-Israeli, nationalist, Middle Eastern regimes. Finally, the Soviets, recognizing the necessity of prolonged entrenchment in the Middle East to achieve long-term ambitions of hegemony, “sought to prevent the alleviation of regional conflict thereby assuring the USSR of continued access to the region, while also seeking to prevent the escalation of these conflicts to the level of superpower confrontation”[1]. Against this agenda of Soviet power projection and the integration of the Middle East into the Soviet sphere of interest, [this paper] finds United State’s ambition in the region were largely the opposite. America sought to deny the Soviets access to Middle Eastern territory and, through the policy of containment, inhibit the expansion of the Soviet sphere of influence."

    http://www.e-ir.info/2012/08/30/cold-war-politics-in-the-middle-east/

    Since putting the Communist system in place in Russia took an all out revolution, where is a similar open revolution there against this totalitarian system, in order to convince those who haven't allowed naiveté to rule their thinking, being performed by this newly "converted" leader, Mr. Putin? A mere "politician", clever or not, is a dime a dozen today and is no compliment to any true, brave leader who is being watched to see if he ever truly steps out for real change within. So far he's not being very convincing except maybe for such child like openness that even a crumb offered as bait can satisfy.
     
  20. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    I’m sorry to disappoint you, but Putin is not a Communist. He is a Russian patriot and Orthodox Christian. Your sarcasm gave me a good laugh, though.
     
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