https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/o...apostasy-his-ambiguous-and-erroneous-words-ha Only Pope Francis can end the ‘apostasy’ his words have caused: Italian monsignor giulio napolitano / Shutterstock.com Pete Baklinski Follow Pete ROME, Italy, June 21, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) — Pope Francis could stem the “confusion and apostasy” now rampant in the Church among priests and bishops by “correcting” his own “ambiguous and erroneous words and acts,” said an Italian monsignor and former consultor to the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith in an explosive interview. Respected theologian Monsignor Nicola Bux, a professor at the Theological Faculty of Puglia, defined “apostasy” as the “abandonment of Catholic thought” that has been believed everywhere, always, and by all. Monsignor Nicola Bux Apostasy arises, he said in the June 21 interview with the National Catholic Register’s Ed Pentin, when “cardinals are silent” in the face of false teaching, when bishops “say the opposite” of what the Church actually teaches, and when priests “contest the liturgical tradition of the Church.” “The Apostle exhorts us to be faithful to sure, sound, and pure doctrine: that founded on Jesus Christ and not on worldly opinions (cf. Titus 1:7-11; 2:1-8). Perseverance in teaching and obedience to doctrine leads souls to eternal salvation,” he said. “The Church cannot change the faith and at the same time ask believers to remain faithful to it. She is instead intimately obliged to be oriented toward the Word of God and toward Tradition,” he added. READ: They gave Pope Francis four years to ‘make the Church over again.’ Here’s how he has tried. The Monsignor said that one of the problems under the pontificate of Pope Francis is that many mistakenly believe that everything the Pope says or writes is Magisterial teaching that must be followed, when such is not the case. “Faced with confusion and apostasy, the Pope should make the distinction — as Benedict XVI did — between what he thinks and says as a private, learned person, and what he must say as Pope of the Catholic Church,” he said. “To be clear: the Pope can express his ideas as a private learned person on disputable matters which are not defined by the Church, but he cannot make heretical claims, even privately. Otherwise, it would be equally heretical,” he added. Obedience is owed to the Pope, the monsignor said, insofar as he continues to teach the one true faith. “So whoever thinks that presenting doubts (dubia) to the Pope is not a sign of obedience, hasn’t understood, 50 years after Vatican II, the relationship between him (the Pope) and the whole Church. Obedience to the Pope depends solely on the fact that he is bound by Catholic doctrine, to the faith that he must continually profess before the Church,” he said. Monsignor Bux said that as a result of the “full crisis of faith” in the Church, especially after the release of the Pope’s Exhortation Amoris Laetitia last year, the Pope should declare exactly what is the Church’s teaching on controversial issues currently plaguing the Church. Pope Francis “should make a Declaration or Profession of Faith, affirming what is Catholic, and correcting those ambiguous and erroneous words and acts — his own and those of bishops — that are interpreted in a non-Catholic manner,” he said. The monsignor made a reference to the recent unsuccessful attempt of four cardinals to obtain a private audience with the Pope to discuss what they called “confusion and disorientation” in the Church. He noted the irony of having a pope who champions “dialogue” while, at the same time, refuses to meet with those who are critical of novelties brought into the Church under the Pope’s watch. READ: Four Cardinals release letter asking to meet Pope about ‘confusion and disorientation’ in Church “For many Catholics, it is incredible that the Pope is asking bishops to dialogue with those who think differently, but does not want first to face the cardinals who are his chief advisers,” he said. “If the Pope does not safeguard doctrine, he cannot impose discipline,” he added. Editor’s note: Read the full interview here.
Bux says the pope should make a Declaration of Faith, and ends the interview "As John Paul II said, the Pope must always be converted, to be able to strengthen his brothers, according to the words of Christ to Peter: “Et tu autem conversus, confirma fratres tuos [when you are converted, strengthen your brothers].” Now check out Pope Benedict homily on his Inauguration Day at the Cathedral of Rome, Saint John Lateran, as the new pope: "It was Peter who, on the Apostles' behalf, made the first profession of faith: "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God" (Mt 16: 16). This is the task of all Peter's Successors: to be the guide in the profession of faith in Christ, Son of the living God. The Chair of Rome is above all the Seat of this belief. From high up on this Chair the Bishop of Rome is constantly bound to repeat: Dominus Iesus - "Jesus is Lord", as Paul wrote in his Letters to the Romans (10: 9) and to the Corin-thians (I Cor 12: 3). To the Corinthians he stressed: "Even though there are so-called gods in the heavens and on the earth... for us there is one God, the Father... and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom everything was made and through whom we live" (I Cor 8: 5). The Chair of Peter obliges all who hold it to say, as Peter said during a crisis time among the disciples when so many wanted to leave him: "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe; we are convinced that you are God's holy one" (Jn 6: 68 ff.). The One who sits on the Chair of Peter must remember the Lord's words to Simon Peter at the Last Supper: "...You in turn must strengthen your brothers" (Lk 22: 32). The one who holds the office of the Petrine ministry must be aware that he is a frail and weak human being - just as his own powers are frail and weak - and is constantly in need of purification and conversion. But he can also be aware that the power to strengthen his brethren in the faith and keep them united in the confession of the Crucified and Risen Christ comes from the Lord. In St Paul's First Letter to the Corinthians, we find the oldest account we have of the Resurrection. Paul faithfully received it from the witnesses. This account first speaks of Christ's death for our sins, of his burial and of his Resurrection which took place the third day, and then says: "[Christ] was seen by Cephas, then by the Twelve..." (I Cor 15: 4). Thus, the importance of the mandate conferred upon Peter to the end of time is summed up: being a witness of the Risen Christ. The Bishop of Rome sits upon the Chair to bear witness to Christ. Thus, the Chair is the symbol of the potestas docendi, the power to teach that is an essential part of the mandate of binding and loosing which the Lord conferred on Peter, and after him, on the Twelve. In the Church, Sacred Scripture, the understanding of which increases under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and the ministry of its authentic interpretation that was conferred upon the Apostles, are indissolubly bound. Whenever Sacred Scripture is separated from the living voice of the Church, it falls prey to disputes among experts. Of course, all they have to tell us is important and invaluable; the work of scholars is a considerable help in understanding the living process in which the Scriptures developed, hence, also in grasping their historical richness. Yet science alone cannot provide us with a definitive and binding interpretation; it is unable to offer us, in its interpretation, that certainty with which we can live and for which we can even die. A greater mandate is necessary for this, which cannot derive from human abilities alone. The voice of the living Church is essential for this, of the Church entrusted until the end of time to Peter and to the College of the Apostles. This power of teaching frightens many people in and outside the Church. They wonder whether freedom of conscience is threatened or whether it is a presumption opposed to freedom of thought. It is not like this. The power that Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors is, in an absolute sense, a mandate to serve. The power of teaching in the Church involves a commitment to the service of obedience to the faith. The Pope is not an absolute monarch whose thoughts and desires are law. On the contrary: the Pope's ministry is a guarantee of obedience to Christ and to his Word. He must not proclaim his own ideas, but rather constantly bind himself and the Church to obedience to God's Word, in the face of every attempt to adapt it or water it down, and every form of opportunism. ...
... Pope John Paul II did this when, in front of all attempts, apparently benevolent to the human person, and in the face of erroneous interpretations of freedom, he unequivocally stressed the inviolability of the human being and of human life from the moment of conception until natural death. The freedom to kill is not true freedom, but a tyranny that reduces the human being to slavery. The Pope knows that in his important decisions, he is bound to the great community of faith of all times, to the binding interpretations that have developed throughout the Church's pilgrimage. Thus, his power is not being above, but at the service of, the Word of God. It is incumbent upon him to ensure that this Word continues to be present in its greatness and to resound in its purity, so that it is not torn to pieces by continuous changes in usage. The Chair is - let us say it again - a symbol of the power of teaching, which is a power of obedience and service, so that the Word of God- the truth! - may shine out among us and show us the way of life. But in speaking of the Chair of the Bishop of Rome, how can we forget St Ignatius of Antioch's words addressed to the Romans? Peter came from Antioch, his first See, to Rome, his permanent See. His martyrdom decreed that he stay here definitively and bound his succession to Rome for ever. Ignatius, for his part, while remaining Bishop of Antioch, was also heading for the martyrdom that he was to suffer in Rome. In his Letter to the Romans, he refers to the Church of Rome as "She who presides in love", a deeply meaningful phrase. We do not know with any certainty what Ignatius may have had in mind when he used these words. But for the ancient Church, the word love, agape, referred to the mystery of the Eucharist. In this mystery, Christ's love becomes permanently tangible among us. Here, again and again he gives himself. Here, again and again his heart is pierced; here he keeps his promise, the promise which, from the Cross, was to attract all things to himself. In the Eucharist, we ourselves learn Christ's love. It was thanks to this centre and heart, thanks to the Eucharist, that the saints lived, bringing to the world God's love in ever new ways and forms. Thanks to the Eucharist, the Church is reborn ever anew! The Church is none other than that network - the Eucharistic community! - within which all of us, receiving the same Lord, become one body and embrace all the world. Presiding in doctrine and presiding in love must in the end be one and the same: the whole of the Church's teaching leads ultimately to love. And the Eucharist, as the love of Jesus Christ present, is the criterion for all teaching. On love the whole law is based, and the prophets as well, the Lord says (cf. Mt 22: 40). Love is the fulfilment of the law, St Paul wrote to the Romans (cf. 13: 10). Dear Romans, I am now your Bishop. Thank you for your generosity, thank you for your sympathy, thank you for your patience with me! As Catholics, in some way we are also all Romans. With the words of Psalm 87, a hymn of praise to Zion, mother of all the peoples, Israel sang and the Church sings: "Of Zion they shall say: "One and all were born in her...'" (v. 5). We too can likewise say: as Catholics, in a certain way, we are all born in Rome. Thus, I want to try with all my heart to be your Bishop, the Bishop of Rome. And let us all seek to be more and more Catholic - more and more brothers and sisters in the great family of God, that family where no one is a stranger. Lastly, I would like to warmly thank dear Cardinal Camillo Ruini, Vicar for the Diocese of Rome, the Auxiliary Bishops and all their collaborators. I warmly thank the parish priests, the clergy of Rome and all who, as the faithful, make their contribution to building here the living house of God. Amen." https://w2.vatican.va/content/bened...n-xvi_hom_20050507_san-giovanni-laterano.html
I was thinking last night of a question, 'What is the central fault that causes people to follow the anti Church , that is now in full swing and thus to go onwards , led by False Teachings, to Hell!' Why do they do this? I think the central false temptation of our times is judge things by feelings. Thus if I do not FEEL that hell seems right I do not beleive in hell. If I do not FEEL that purgatory is kind and nice, no more purgatory. If I FEEL that saying sexual perversion is wrong is unrealisitic and lacking in mercy , bang , let them do it, why not , I FEEL they are NICE people and so. ..and then this translates into our spiritual life. I FEEL that going to Church on Sunday is too much after working all week. I FEEL that being sexually correct is too big an ask. Then we come out with the whammy. I FEEL I am not very religious but I FEEL I AM VERY SPIRITUAL. Then onwards to hell. Everyone's nice, everything's nice, God is merciful, God is nice. You're wonderful, I feel, I'm wonderful , I feel. Then you wake up in hell and suddenly everything's not wonderful. Not wonderful at all. In hell the only thing we'll be feeling is hell.
Pure Protestantism from a Cardinal, on 'Adult Spirituality': 'For since Moses handed down many ceremonies, since the kings of the earth also have their laws and statutes this King [Christ] comes with another new decree, different from all the decrees of Moses and the other kings. Moreover, this must be so understood that it will annul all the laws, even of Moses himself, because they are not useful for obtaining eternal salvation. For when it comes to life eternal, the remission of sins, death, in short, to everything pertaining to the conscience, Moses is silent, the laws are silent, and all the kings are silent. But this Teacher and King alone should be heard.8' Martin Luther
Wait, I thought we are to be like children? I saw this earlier today and it just confirms to me that each are taking the words of this and through their own reason are coming to what they consider the truth. I left Evangelical Protestantism exactly for this reason and here I am finding some in the Church teaching it. I see in this the tickling of ears. Truth? What is truth? It seems I have heard these words before...
So the Church has had an infantile understanding of spirituality until Vatican II came along and since then it has been coming to the understanding of "adult spirituality"? Riiiiiiiiiight. The great Saints and Doctors of the Church were infantile in their understanding? I don't think so. What diabolical disorientation.
It is exactly the same as the Temptation of Eve in the Garden of Eden. She was told by Satan that if she ate of the apple of the Knowledge of Good and Evil she would become like unto God. The temptation was to pride of Self, that she knew better than God did. Same here, only the snake is a Catholic Cardinal. Well a Cardinal anyway, since clearly he is gone over to the Church of Satan, the anti Church and is no longer in any sense Catholic.
Insightful. They spit on the Traditions of the Church because they are swollen with pride and self love. Like a bag of old pus.
But I was observing Cardinal Cupich as he spoke very closely. My take is that he was very uncomfortable with what he was saying and did not really believe it himself. For what that's worth. But he will find out whether or not hell really exists on a personal basis if he does not repent. Their consciences are BOUND to be bothering them. They are BOUND TO BE.
"But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts may be corrupted from a sincere [and pure] commitment to Christ. For if someone comes and preaches another Jesus than the one we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it well enough." 2 cor 11, 3-5 "Anyone who is so “progressive” as not to remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God; whoever remains in the teaching has the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him in your house or even greet him; for whoever greets him shares in his evil works." 2 John 9-11 "There were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will introduce destructive heresies and even deny the Master who ransomed them, bringing swift destruction on themselves. In their greed they will exploit you with fabrications, but from of old their condemnation has not been idle and their destruction does not sleep. ... Abandoning the straight road, they have gone astray, following the road of Balaam, the son of Bosor,* who loved payment for wrongdoing, but he received a rebuke for his own crime: a mute beast spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness. These people are waterless springs and mists driven by a gale; for them the gloom of darkness has been reserved. For, talking empty bombast, they seduce with licentious desires of the flesh those who have barely escaped from people who live in error. They promise them freedom, though they themselves are slaves of corruption, for a person is a slave of whatever overcomes him. ... For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them. What is expressed in the true proverb has happened to them, “The dog returns to its own vomit,” and “A bathed sow returns to wallowing in the mire"" 2 Peter 2
I forget which saint it was (probably more than one) but I remember reading something about a saint who was going to be made a Bishop and he was in absolute agony over it. He didn't want it at all, except do do it in obedience. When questioned about why he was so upset he said something along the lines of "I have a much greater chance of going to Hell now because of the great responsibility". That is not a direct quote and may not even be close, but that is the spirit of what he was worried about.
The cardinal tells each of us that we "have grace by God to discern...rather than an outside authority telling people what to do as though they were children." But what does the Church in her wisdom actually teach in Gaudium et Spes from Vatican II: 16. In the depths of his conscience, man detects a law which he does not impose upon himself, but which holds him to obedience. Always summoning him to love good and avoid evil, the voice of conscience when necessary speaks to his heart: do this, shun that. For man has in his heart a law written by God; to obey it is the very dignity of man; according to it he will be judged.(9) Conscience is the most secret core and sanctuary of a man. There he is alone with God, Whose voice echoes in his depths.(10) In a wonderful manner conscience reveals that law which is fulfilled by love of God and neighbor.(11) In fidelity to conscience, Christians are joined with the rest of men in the search for truth, and for the genuine solution to the numerous problems which arise in the life of individuals from social relationships. Hence the more right conscience holds sway, the more persons and groups turn aside from blind choice and strive to be guided by the objective norms of morality. Conscience frequently errs from invincible ignorance without losing its dignity. The same cannot be said for a man who cares but little for truth and goodness, or for a conscience which by degrees grows practically sightless as a result of habitual sin. a. We will be judged according to our obedience to our conscience, which is a law written by God in our hearts. b. But we can blind conscience through habitual sin. c. So how do we ensure a right conscience? Each of us must remain in a state of grace and: strive to be guided by the objective norms of morality. It is the Church which possesses the objective norms of morality and truth. Did not Jesus promise the apostles at the Last Supper: John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. Cardinal Cupich implies that we as individuals can discern right from wrong with no reference point but ourselves and our consciences. WRONG! Listen to what St. John Paul II says in Dominum et Vivificantem. He reaffirms the Council: 43. ...The conscience therefore is not an independent and exclusive capacity to decide what is good and what is evil. Rather there is profoundly impressed upon it a principle of obedience vis-a-vis the objective norm... It is the Cardinal who dispenses with objective norms and gives to the conscience an independence which God does not. Avoid his instruction like the plague! Safe in the Barque of Peter!
Thank you!!! A hundred times!!! Catholics are not to "follow their consciences". They are to follow well-formed consciences, which are those consciences informed and guided by what the Church teaches. They always like to leave out the "well-formed" part. This "follow your conscience" garbage is pure Protestantism. What about someone who grew up in a culture that practiced polygamy and sees nothing wrong with it? What about a sociopath? What about a serial killer? Should they all follow their consciences? Many (perhaps most) consciences are warped and blinded by sin today.
This is the same Cardinal Cupich, that used his conscience to scold my young niece of about 12, when as a priest in Omaha, NE., he told her while kneeling to receive Communion, "don't you every do that in my church again". Yep, a real fine example of holiness this man is
What is it about these prelates that feels threatened by a child kneeling for communion? Or for that matter an altar boy holding his hands in prayer? Does innocence escape their mental capacity? We live in weird times.
