Charlie Johnson false prophet?

Discussion in 'Positive Critique' started by Malachi, Dec 9, 2016.

  1. Clare A

    Clare A Archangels

    Harper, if nothing untoward happens on 20th and Trump is sworn in, then I imagine that Joe and others who have invested so much in Charlie will say that it is the prayers of good people who prevented the catastrophe.
     
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  2. Little Me's Big Brother

    Little Me's Big Brother 1.21 jigawatts

    I agree with you. The same could be said for a lot of people over Garabandal. I can understand watching and waiting but diving "all in" is a sign of a weak will and lack of faith. (in my opinion)
     
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  3. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    Agreed. I'm still a staunch agnostic but I don't think he's a bad person. And frankly I'll be immensely relieved once Inauguration Day comes and goes uneventfully.
     
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  4. Little Me's Big Brother

    Little Me's Big Brother 1.21 jigawatts

    Ugh... I doubt that. I think Joe and his ilk will look for another "prophet" to guide them on their journey, thus starting over.
     
  5. MMM

    MMM Archangels

    I was in a bad mood when I wrote this and would like to recant most of it since there seems no way to edit it. I hope the best for Charlie whatever that might be. I don't believe he is an authentic seer though. Now I'll just wait for Obama to not finish out his term today. :)
     
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    CNN reported that if Trump and Pence are killed at the inaguration then an Obama appointee would take over the presidency.


    CNN is accused of being 'traitorous' and 'inciting violence' for revealing that an Obam... - Daily Mail
    https://apple.news/A4mpdybrbS424U70b4YunIA
     
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  7. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    If some people got carried away, they bear personal responsibility for this. The notion of 'victimhood' belongs to the liberal narrative. It has often been mentioned here that one must be very circumspect when dealing with private prophesy and in particular that which is not approved by the Church. There is no compulsion by the Church that one must believe even that which is approved. Therefore, one must accept the consequences if one gambles all on a particular prophesy which is not fulfilled.

    We are not yet fully out of the woods, as Breitbart today carries a report of CNN speculation that a dual Trump/Pence assassination could lead to a continuation of the Obama administration (KansasSunshine also supplies the same from another excellent source). Thus, Charlie's prophesy is definitely a very plausible possibility, whether or not it materialises. His predictions are relating to events that would have been unthinkable only a few years ago. Of course, he may just be a very good reader of the signs of the times.

    There is one other important point that I ought to have mentioned earlier. As Desmond A. Birch stresses more than once in his authoritative study of approved private prophesy, all such prophesy is conditional. Prayer, changes in behaviour or the unknowable Will of God may avert certain prophesied events. What is certainly true is that one should not attempt to second-guess God by assuming one knows the future. It could be said that the whole Charlie affair may have the merit of being a lesson to us all.
     
  8. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    CNN have been doing this all along. In any other country, they would long since have been shut down for inciting hatred and violence. They did it during the BLM protests, during the run-up to the elections and have been doing it ever since the elections. Carl Bernstein's performance immediately after the election was a disgrace and has gone downhill from there. They bring to mind an old saying in Europe: Vote Communist and it's the last vote you'll ever get. All that talk about freedom and democracy translates into freedom for us but not for you and our votes are the only ones worth honouring. Although they aren't Communists (or say they aren't) they have embraced Soviet style media tactics to push their agenda. Their gloating over performers being intimidated into refusing to perform at the inauguration is merely a symptom of their lack of respect for the US Constitution and the majority of voters in the vast majority of States. CNN is the TV version of the gutter press.
     
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  9. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    That is unspeakably unfair to the gutter press. Even the Sun got it right from time to time. CNN, to adopt your Soviet analogy, is more akin to Pravda, and the one of Stalin's time in its immorality and cynicism.
     
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  10. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    If this happens, Charlie would be right: infowars.com

    Pray, pray, pray!
     
  11. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    You're right. My apologies to the gutter press.
     
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  12. BrianK

    BrianK Guest

    Was there a specific story at that link to which you were referring?
     
  13. Harper

    Harper Guest

    I agree people are responsible for their own foolishness. But what makes the case of Charlie different, I think, is that he was taken up by respectable Catholic outlets for a time, and that gave him a foothold other prophets have not had. Charlie deliberately set out to cultivate important people who could help spread his name and message. Although he early on insisted he didn't read much other prophecy to keep his own uninfluenced, he appeared on many message boards and in the comments section of Catholic blogs to promote himself. He also befriended the likes of Mark Mallett and Pelianito, both Charismatic Catholic messengers.

    Charlie is fairly good at self-promotion; he played up his connections; eventually he got on radio with Patrick Madrid, became acquainted with "my good friend" Fr. Mitch Pacwa and others. People on his blog certainly got the impression he was endorsed by all his "good friends" and from there, his influence spread. Catholic media outlets such as Focus TV do not have entirely clean hands in all this. (Focus did a two-part series on Charlie after the Denver ruling.)

    DeGaulle, I also take issue with the notion "all private prophecy is conditional." Off the top of my head, Our Lady told the children at Fatima she would give them a sign, and she did. Her miracle happened exactly as specified. No conditions.
     
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  14. lynnfiat

    lynnfiat Fiat Voluntas Tua

    The report from CNN that Alex Jones posted, "If Trump is assassinated on Inauguration Day..." Just incredible that CNN would write something like that to incite hatred. Very sad and I pray it doesn't happen!
     
  15. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    I think Catholics in the USA were desperate for a prophet in their own land and they found a very charismatic one in Charlie. His charming and extroverted personality along with many in the US looking for a link to God for a local prophet drew many followers. In contrast to so many other alleged messengers, Charlie did not attract his followers with humility, his hidden life or deep prayer life, but in his ability to share experiences he spoke of that were something that others felt a need for. His 2014 prophecy for "the last normal Christmas" was what caught my attention and then to watch his spin afterwards to walk it back was enough for me. Each to his own, but I think he is a good man that needs to reserve himself to silence and out of the limelight for 6 months or more to find where he left off prior to all the fan fare.
     
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  16. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    'Conditional' does not mean that there will by necessity be conditions that cause a prophesy to change. There will always be prophesies that play out as predicted. Even your example, of such a high order as that of Our Lady, was still conditional upon God not calling time on the whole shooting match-the Last Day-an event about which even Our Lady could not have prior knowledge, according to the words of her own Son. It was arguably conditional upon the trust and good faith of the three children. We are not Determinists.

    The determinism problem does not apply to Divine Revelation as an infinite, omniscient Being would have the concurrent knowledge of all events without the necessity of their being predetermined.

    Anyway, it is hardly fair to compare a minor prophet such as Charlie with Our Lady.
     
  17. Harper

    Harper Guest

    Our Lady wasn't the prophet, the children were. They reported what Our Lady told them. Just as Charlie alleges he reports what his angel, Our Lady and Jesus tell him. If you believe Charlie, he's has more visitors and more frequent visits than most any saint.

    Of course, I can't agree Charlie is a minor prophet either.
     
  18. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Now, we are into semantics, dependent on the definition of 'prophet' one chooses. I can't resist pointing out that your negation of Our Lady as the prophet in this instance contradicts your own argument that private prophesy might not be conditional in her case-if she's not the prophet the notion of conditionality as it applies to her becomes a moot point.

    Perhaps, it might be less confusing if we just said that the message, in other words the 'prophesy', regardless of who is the author of it, is conditional.
     
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  19. Beth B

    Beth B Beth Marie

    Boy did you nail this one Dolours!
     
  20. Harper

    Harper Guest

    One last post before the Inauguration. This is from Mystics of the Church website, on how Charlie initially viewed his election "prophecy:"
    Joseph J. said...


    But how could this prophecy possibly fail if "God has appointed that this be a sign to you"

    In his article "The Election...and Other Potential Triggers" Charlie writes:
    "If, next January, Barack Obama peacefully hands over the reins of power to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I will declare myself unreliable and go away. But it will not happen that way, for God has appointed that this be a sign to you to fortify you to trust Him and choose the ordinary way to follow Him through the most frightening year for the globe in history."

    -This to me is the question that needs to be asked and answered.


    January 19, 2017 at 6:19 PM
     
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