The event of the Warning begins with the letter "A. "

I rest my case.

 

Tell that to Ukrainian Catholics you constantly slander using no more than Russian media propaganda. Every single western politician including anyone ever elected to office in the Us is in a one world government conspiracy and the only saviors are Putin and Trump, to you. How come, if your line is true, the catholic poles were scared to death US nuclear weapons would be removed from Poland? How come your idol Putin wanted them gone and Bush said no but "antichrist" Obama complied with "Christian" Putin's wishes? All of you pushing this crazy, dangerous line need to start praying the rosary and attending daily mass. Start with confession.

 

Ya Know!! I'm still amazed "These Days" how many people are still calmly discussing exactly how this "Warning" or that "Warning" foretold by this Prophecy or that Holy Joe... exactly, how it will come to pass and when, exactly, it will come to pass or, exactly, in what manner it will ....Ah! ...
WAKE THE &*^% UP!!! Planet Earth is Imploding NOW!! We have the WARNINGS and SIGNS for our Age-n-Era!!! Perhaps the survivors of OUR STORM may, while picking up the pieces, have time and energy to discuss future Warnings & Eras .... but I doubt it

GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!

 

Need another Warning!! Seven? .... Policemen gunned down in Baton Rouge, LA ... Three dead ... RIP Good Men!
The Left-Stream Media is in their full Spin Mode, just as the case with Islamic Terrorists, that it's probably just a lone wolf ... Ya Know .. self radicalized .. Right!? ..Got It?? Also ...That Obama, his Administration, Democrat Party, BlackLivesMatter, CAIR, Muslim Brotherhood, Nation of Islam, the usual Race Hustlers and their 7.6 year drumbeat of anti-police and "speak no evil" about Islam has had ..Absolutely No impact on the work of these Evil Terrorists. Oh! ....... In case your are wondering? The fault lies at the feet of the NRA and awful God-n-Gun Clingers ... most of whom live in nasty Red States!
GOD SAVE ALL HERE & Protect those who protect us. AMEN!!
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ce-station/ar-BBuq8Vk?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=UE07DHP
Like wave after wave at the shore.

 

I must STRONGLY beg to differ. As someone with family ties to Russia I try to keep abreast of such things. For the past 2 decades Russian officials have been doing everything in their power to disrupt the Roman Catholic presence in Russia, attempting to force them to become Russian Orthodox by limiting their access to Roman Catholic priests, churches, and services. Bishops (most notably those serving Eastern Siberia) have been prevented from returning to their dioceses due to their status as "foreign agents", meaning that unless the Church started smuggling in bishops as happened during the Soviet era, there could be no valid priests ordained. (Eastern Siberia has a large concentration of Roman Catholics due to the large number of Poles who were sent to the gulags during and after WW2.) There is nothing in this law that exempts the Roman Catholic Church from the penalties: they are forbidden to proselytize, which may include penalties for Catholic parents who have their children baptized.

@Richard67, your comment about Fatima is extremely ironic, as the Russian Orthodox hierarchy officially considers Fatima to be an anti-Christian attempt by a heretic Church to destroy Russian Orthodoxy. It interprets the predictions that "Russia will be converted" to mean that Russia will convert to the heterodox and thus apostate Roman Catholic Church, not that Russia will convert to Christianity in general (i.e., the growth in ROC practice and public display could be considered to be a fulfillment of this prediction in Western circles; to the ROC it is how the ROC is fighting this RCC apostate faith.

 

You are way out of line. Your vitriolic histrionics proves that I am right and the truth has struck a nerve. And nowhere did I "constantly slander" Ukrainian Catholics. Totally false and shameful on your part.

 

I do not like the fact that the RCC is being punished at all in Russia. But the war between the RCC and the ROC is well over 1000 years old. It also does not help the RCC when the ROC observes all the pro LGBT trends in the ROC. Hopefully unification happens, we all want this. However in light of escalation happening in Europe, the divide is likely only going to get worse.

Yet with everything you mention, none of it takes away from the fact that Russia is converting back to God at an unprecedented rate.

 

Some Russian Orthodox may feel that way but relations between the Roman Catholic Church and the Russian Orthodox Church have never been better as evidenced by Pope Francis' historic meeting with Patriarch Kirill. I suggest you read the Joint Declaration signed by both of them.

If tensions still persist, it is primarily due to the fact that the Catholic authorities in Ukraine have been silent or worse in the face of the violent Junta that seized power there. I can't remember one Ukrainian Catholic authority condemning the Kiev Junta. Not one! Genuine Ukrainian patriots who have resisted the Junta face harassment or worse. The same could be said for Poland, where the Catholic authorities have been silent in the face of Bush and Obama's warmongering tactics there, placing an offensive-capable Missile "Shield" on Polish soil which has the potential to start a major war between the West and Russia. Russia has been begging and pleading and screaming at the top of their lungs about this Missile Shield since Bush withdrew from the ABM Treaty in 2001, but to no avail. Poland is nothing more than a NATO vassal state for allowing this warmongering to continue on their soil. If Saint JPII were still alive, somehow I can't see him being silent in the face of such reckless warmongering on the part of the Polish authorities. Somehow I can't see Saint JPII remaining silent in the face of the West's violent coup in Ukraine. Everything that Saint JPII and Reagan and Gorbachev worked so hard to achieve has been flushed down the toilet by the warmongers at NATO. The demonization of Putin is simply the West's projection of their own guilt onto a third party. Classic case of psychological projection and perfectly predictable. The Western warmongers did the same to Assad and they do the same to anyone that opposes their evil agenda.

 

No one said every politician ever elected in the west is part of the NWO, but it sure seems like you are ready to dismiss it entirely. What about the messages given to us by Our Lady of Good Success which tell us of this being the case in this time. Or the messages given to Mother Mary Agreda of the Masonic control in the world at this time. Do you dismiss these approved apparitions as well? Is Our Lady nothing more than a Conspiracy theorist to you?

The new US missile "defence" system" installations in Europe are being built all the while under Obama. They will be able to easily launch tomahawks that can carry a nuclear war head. One of the missile "defence" systems are already installed in Romania, the next going up in Poland. So Obama did not remove the nuclear weapons from Poland, he just replaced them more advanced ones.

"At the moment the interceptor missiles installed have a range of 500 kilometers, soon this will go up to 1000 kilometers, and worse than that, they can be rearmed with 2400km-range offensive missiles even today, and it can be done by simply switching the software, so that even the Romanians themselves won't know.

https://www.sott.net/article/319223...alling-NATOs-ABM-missiles-no-one-is-listening

I pray more than a rosary daily, and I go to daily mass and bi-weekly confession. Thanks for making yourself my spiritual director, but I already have one. Maybe you need to take some of your own prescribed medicine.

 

That is not for you to say. I stand by every word. They are not "histrionics", maybe you should look up that word, they are facts that can be found in multiple, varied, reliable sources, whereas all your evidence that Putin is the only Christian, honest, or fair leader in the world and everyone who opposes him is part of a one world/NATO/ eu evil cabal cOmes only from Russian government-controlled Media, including your outright slander of Ukrainian Catholics. Do not use personal attacks to cover that up, it is dishonest and does not work. Bullying in writing is not as impressive and is wrong in any case. Use facts, not Russian government tv clips backed up by rude personal attacks when someone fairly questions you.

 

I dismiss nothing of what you say and nothing I said contradicts any of it. To believe masons exist is not the same as saying only Putin is not a mason. To believe Christianity has been given free expression in Russia since Gorbechev is not the same as arguing Putin is sincere in his displays of well planned and video taped bowing to and kissing religious object, nor that Russia is a fully Christian nation. To say Catholics have been and still are persecuted by the Russian government does not equal saying the ROC is to blame, nor does it say anything at all against the ROC. To say Putin is trying to use and control the ROC, taking the worst advantage of the caesaropapist tradition of the east is not to say Kirril means to cooperate with that. To take note of any of these things has no bearing on the fact that the ROC and RCC are moving toward eventual reconciliation, which I pray for every day. The fact that Obama did remove nuclear installations in Poland, in cooperation with Putin's wishes and against the wishes of our ally Poland is well documented and needs no further back up--the Obama as pure evil and Putin as pure savior picture being painted is clearly wrong, both the Us and Russia are now engaged in persecuting Christians. The difference is in the US case it is newly overt with Obama. With Russia, since Lenin it is nothing new. That is the only point I am making and it stands.

 

Your personal attack on me is in fact vitriolic and histrionic and now it appears you have doubled-down on it. We can disagree on the situation in Ukraine, but I am baffled as to why you suddenly launched a personal assault on me. Had I not been paying attention to this thread, I would have probably even missed it it happened so unexpectedly. Maybe you are just having a bad day.

 

Nope, maybe get a second opinion on that.

 

There are to many facts that stand in the way of Putin being a mason. If he were a mason he would have put Russia in the EU already. The Central Bank of Russia would also be privately owned. There would be no institutions like BRICS. There would also be a common front in the middle east with the Coalition.

“Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?"

Putin is trying to protect the traditions in his native land, and he likely thinks the RCC is not a good institution. This is why he doesn't want the RCC in Russia, and most ROC's believe the RCC is not good as well. Like I said before, this rift between the RCC and ROC is over 1000 years old. Speak to ROC's or any OC's for that matter and they will only tell you horrors about the RCC, much like Protestants do. Then there is the "progressive" movement in the RCC that is gaining momentum, which is likely only going to push away the ROC. Then add the military build up of NATO close to their borders. I do not see reconciliation between the RCC and ROC any time soon.

I also disagree with your belief that Putin is using the ROC to control the people. There is nothing which points to this. You could argue that he is doing this just to gain support, but even that would be weak at best. Putin has not declared himself head of the ROC, nor does the ROC answer to him.

"Vladimir Putin was born and raised in Leningrad, U.S.S.R., now known as St. Petersburg, Russia.
Putin had, in classic Soviet fashion, a secular upbringing. His father was a “model Communist” and a “militant atheist,” though his mother was a devout Eastern Orthodox Christian1 and she had young Putin secretly baptized into that church.

It was merely symbolic, however, as Putin went through the bulk of his adult life–rising through the ranks of the KGB and the Soviet Communist Party–conforming to Soviet secular convention.

It wasn’t until the double-whammy of 1) his wife’s car accident in 1993 and 2) a life-threatening house fire in 1996 that Putin began questioning his atheism. During a vulnerable moment before Putin departed for a diplomatic trip to Israel, his mother gave him a baptismal cross. He said of the occasion:

I did as she said and then put the cross around my neck. I have never taken it off since.

Now, Putin has become a bit of a zealot. He seems to want to reestablish a pre-Soviet combination of church and state, saying:

First and foremost we should be governed by common sense. But common sense should be based on moral principles first. And it is not possible today to have morality separated from religious values.

Furthermore, Putin has proposed compulsory religion and ethics classes for Russian students."

http://hollowverse.com/vladimir-putin/

Russia has gone from 30% ROC after the SU fell to 70% as of now, and its trending upwards. Therefore not all Christians in Russia are persecuted. Any religion but the ROC is persecuted now you could say. I would love to live in a Country where the only religion allowed to be practiced in public is Catholicism. The idea that all religions are the path to God is nonsense. If Putin were a Catholic, and it was the RCC instead of the ROC in Russia I would desperately be trying to move there.

The movement to remove abortion is increasing. Gays are not allowed to have parades and propaganda. Atheists and their movement of relativism is being shot down. The ROC is growing and is common. Sounds great to me! Sounds like the exact opposite of what is happening in my country.

There is also a huge difference between how Lenin and Putin treats christians. Lenin killed Christians, Putin fines the Christians who are not in the ROC that evangelize. Comparing the two is nothing but fear mongering and bringing up the SU that fell 25 years ago. Time to let it go maybe? The US is clearly not the same nation it was 25 years ago.

Your points do not stand under scrutiny.

BTW I found this just for you.

 

Dawn again you are mistaken. First against Trump and now against Russia. You think like John McCain. And he lost. As did Romney and Bush, Cruz and Kasich. And all these dudes agree with Obama's foreign policy against Russia. Doesn't this tell you maybe your on the wrong side?

 

Once again, nothing I have stated is contradicted here, but any reasonable person can see that, I clarified my point once and will not again. It does stand to reason, though, that supporters of totalitarianism would not hold a reasonable discussion because they prefer being told what to think by their dictator. A state sponsored church is never one that reflects sincere conversion, whether it be the Anglican Church of Henry VIII, the German Lutheran Church under Bismark or Hitler, or what is happening right now in Russia by all accounts coming from countries with a free press. Gorbachev allowed free religious expression and that is the reason there have been conversions in Russia. No reasonable person would conclude that what I just said means there are no sincere Anglicans, Lutherans or orthodox in these countries.
So you have discounted none of my points. It's like I said the sky is blue and you wrote an essay in response proving the grass is green, claiming you proved me wrong, but any reasonable person can see that too. I'm not getting involved in discussions about Putin or Trump here anymore for that reason, the points I made stand. Many simply ignore the outlandish support here for people like Putin or Trump because of the fruitlessness of trying to hold a discussion with others who refuse to use reason and then add insults to take the focus away from the issue at hand. But I am glad to have challenged it because it needs to be. It is a shame though that on a Catholic forum some applaud the return of persecution of Catholics by the Russian government. You need to pray for discernment. Bless everyone here--I am busy with work.

 

I have proven many of your points invalid, and if you want I can point them out to you. Perhaps you should re-read some of your posts to see this. You keep on saying that Putin is practicing Caesaropapism when I have shown FACTS to the opposite. Now you list a bunch of Heretics and Apostates saying that somehow these are somehow comparable to Putin and the current context of the ROC in Russia. I agree the Ceasaropapism is not good, but to say this is happening in Russia is going contrary to Facts.

By their Fruits ye shall Know them...

- King Henry the 8th is an apostate the killed all the Catholics in England. Under Putin Catholics that are caught evangelizing get fines. Huge difference. King Henry the 8th also declared himself head of the Church, Putin has not done this. Putin believes that ROC is the true faith and is defending it. While I don't agree that the ROC is the true faith, I very much respect his defending of what he believes to be the true faith.

- Hitler killed Jews, Catholics, Gays, and Gypsies. Russia under Putins rule is not even close to doing any of these things.

- Yes under Gorbachev the ROC grew, but it is also growing under Putin. To say the ROC is growing only because of Gorbachev is ridiculous. You need to back that up with facts. Clearly under Putin the ROC is thriving as well. The RCC has been praying for close to 100 years now for the conversion of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Our Lady. The RCC has also made several consecrations of Russia to the IH. Do you think this had no effect? How you can think that Gods hand has not been at work in Russia astounds me.

Here you have a good argument. As Catholics we believe that is not the case given the Parable of the Good Samaritan. Yet I have spoken with many Christians of different faiths that are adamant that their faith is the only true faith, and that everyone else is going to hell. They will only ever cite what they believe to be the horrors of the RCC and other faiths in order to condemn them. I often wonder how anyone can be an Anglican given the history of how their Church came into existence. Given this sort of belief, it becomes easy to see why the ROC does not want other faiths evangelizing.

You can declare all you want that your points have not be invalidated, but clearly the facts I have presented do just this. Or perhaps you can do me the charity of explaining how you are pointing out the blue sky while I demonstrate the grass is green. If I am somehow misinterpreting what you are saying please correct me.

This is an interesting comment. Lets see first you claim I have insulted you, then you insult me by saying I refuse to reason. Please show me where I have insulted you. Your the one claiming I need to go to daily mass and need to pray the rosary daily, do you think this is Charity?

Ahhhh... a nice straw man and another insult. According to you I am applauding the persecution of Catholics. I am only applauding the return of Russia to God, especially in light of the FACT that everywhere else in the world is turning pagan. I am applauding God resurrecting Russia back from the dead. Then yet another insult, I now need to pray for discernment... why because I disagree with you? Because I present Facts that Russia is turing back to God?

Currently Russia is one of the few Christian strongholds that stands in the way of the pagan west. Russia is defending itself on all levels. Spiritually, Mentally, and Physically it has to defend itself as the opponent will try to find any way in. Time will tell if Putin is merely using the ROC as a means to control the people, but right now there is far too much evidence that stands in the way of this.

God Bless you, God Bless Russia, God Bless the RCC and ROC churches.

 

Must the event "A" be on the same day as the Warning?
I have a hypothesis: A=Abdicación del Papa.
If pope Francis would abdicate, as he predicted before 3 years, for example in December 13th, the Warning could come few days after.