Evil Empire or Russia Consecrated?

Discussion in 'The Signs of the Times' started by Richard67, Nov 18, 2014.

  1. Sorrowful Heart

    Sorrowful Heart Archangels

    Using proxy wars to support the military industrial complex is only a temporary means until world domination is established. Yes the Elite can become wealthy from selling arms, but ultimately it is a drop in the bucket compared to the wealth that can be generated from world domination.

    The hypocrisy of the western coalition knows no limits. They not only sell and distribute arms to the regimes they support, but they also bring war to those same lands with their own military. When the damage is done the Coalition offer virtually nothing to bring peace and prosperity back to the region. Many European and Middle Eastern Nations had no say in the Coalition destroying the Middle East, but now they are expected to help the millions of helpless fleeing those regions.

    Horrific... yet typical. Gadaffi was trying for years to get the ME to start using a different currency than the USD for oil trade. He tried to establish the Gold backed Dinar.

    "Some believe it is about protecting civilians, others say it is about oil, but some are convinced intervention in Libya is all about Gaddafi’s plan to introduce the gold dinar, a single African currency made from gold, a true sharing of the wealth."

    https://www.rt.com/news/economy-oil-gold-libya/

    Thanks for the heads up about the program on CNBC. You make an excellent point, and an excellent correlation of these two world events. Everything is about world domination with the NWO. If China and Russia establish themselves independent of the west, they could lead other nations away with them. The NWO needs to maintain and control, and if the USD is undermined and a new benchmark currency is used for trade... all the Trillions of USD around the world would come back home, devaluing the USD even further. If we use history as an example of whats going to happen with nations that attempted this, war under the guise of protection and liberation is what always unfolds.

    Everything in my province has been privatized under the guise of the free market being better than government. The same tactics used to take over third world countries, is also being used in first world countries. I don't know of a single western nation currently that can pay of its debt. So they sell off their assets as a means to satiate the central banks. Its the same story in Ireland thats been repeated around the world. The confessions of an Economic hitman shine a light on this exact process.

    If history is an indicator of whats to happen, war will occur. The only thing greater than the elites desire to enjoy pleasure in the world, is their desire for power. Why else would people who have billions already want even more?

    I am not sure what you mean by the grievance machine, because the people have very little say for what happens at the political levels. Recently my country voted in the Liberals at a federal level because they campaigned against war. Now they are sending troops, jets, and a military ship to the baltics. Meet the new government, the same as the old government. Democracy is nothing but an illusion to satiate peoples belief that they have say in the direction of government.

     
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  2. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    By grievance machine, I mean those who exploit people's real or imagined grievances by whipping up hatred and division. I truly believe that most ordinary folk just want to live their lives and get along with their neighbours no matter their race, creed or colour, but there's money and power to be gained by instilling fear that people who look or worship differently pose a threat or are leeches. The Black Lives Matter outfit in the US is an example. I don't doubt that there are genuine grievances at the root of the problem, but it's pretty obvious that the grievances are being used as a divisive tool by people who are more interested in spreading division and instilling hatred than finding a peaceful solution - Dallas being an example. Policing in the US is localised, yet policemen in Texas were murdered during a BLM demonstration whipping up hatred over a shooting that happened in Missouri. The BLM marches were toned down until Hillary Clinton became the Democrats' presumptive nominee and now they are a convenient diversion from her get out of jail free card. I don't doubt, either, that there are also people in the US who gain from instilling fear into white Christians making them believe that they are under siege, which is rooted in the latest trend of painting Christianity as being white, elitist and discriminatory.

    I don't know about this NWO stuff. The video about Machiaevelli is kind of scary. Politics is a horrible profession but somebody's got to do it and it takes a special kind of person to be able to withstand the pressures of office, especially high office in powerful countries. None of us knows what we would do if faced with the kind of decisions they have to make. It would take years if not generations to bring about a real NWO or one world government and politicians don't get enough time in office to plan so far ahead. I think that we all have to take our share of the blame for the way the world is because we tend to vote for politicians who tell us what we want to hear to the extent that someone telling us the unvarnished truth wouldn't have a hope of getting elected.
     
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  3. Sorrowful Heart

    Sorrowful Heart Archangels

    It has been centuries in the making. Look into the messages of Our Lady of Good Success, and Mother Mary of Agreda (she wrote "The Mystical City of God"). Both Apparitions have been deemed valid by the Church, and they both speak about this specific time we live in. They both mention that the world will be controlled by the masons at this time.



     
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  4. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    If NATO encroaches on nuclear Russia, it will be punished

    Russia has zero trust in NATO and believes that the alliance is preparing to go to war against it, a leading Russian foreign policy expert told Spiegel, while warning that, if it comes to a new big war, Russia won’t fight it on its own soil.
    In an interview with the German magazine, Sergey Karaganov, a veteran political scientist and member of the influential Foreign Policy and Defense Council of the Russia Foreign Ministry, said in bold terms that the risk of a new shooting war in Europe has been on the rise for a decade and is now as high as it was at the height of the Cold War.

    The abundance of propaganda coming from both sides attests to the dangerous state of the crisis, Karaganov said.

    “The Russian media is more reserved than Western media. Though you have to understand that Russia is very sensitive about defense. We have to be prepared for everything. That is the source of this occasionally massive amount of propaganda,” he said. “But what is the West doing? It is doing nothing but vilifying Russia; it believes that we are threatening to attack. The situation is comparable to the crisis at the end of the 1970s and beginning of the 1980s.”

    The expert was referring to a massive build-up of intermediate-range nuclear missiles in Europe that could have easily led to an unintended nuclear war. The missiles had a very short approach time that left almost no time for an attacked side to react, making automatic retaliation the only possible reaction to a decapitating nuclear barrage. The situation was defused by a ban on intermediate-range missiles signed in 1987.

    The current buildup of NATO forces on Russia’s border is not unlike the installation of Pershing and SS-20 missiles three decades ago, at least in terms of the misguided justification for deploying them, Karaganov said.

    “Fears in countries like Poland, Lithuania and Latvia are to be allayed by NATO stationing weapons there. But that doesn’t help them; we interpret that as a provocation. In a crisis, we will destroy exactly these weapons. Russia will never again fight on its own territory,” he said.

    “The help offered by NATO is not symbolic help for the Baltic states. It is a provocation. If NATO initiates an encroachment – against a nuclear power like ourselves – it will be punished,” he stressed.

    Part of the problem is the breakdown in communications, as evidenced by the work – or lack thereof – of the NATO-Russia Council, which was created to resolve differences between the alliance and Russia, but is “no longer a legitimate body,” according to Karaganov.

    “NATO has become a qualitatively different alliance. When we began the dialogue with NATO, it was a defensive alliance of democratic powers. But then, the NATO-Russia Council served as cover for and the legalization of NATO expansion. When we really needed it – in 2008 and 2014 – it wasn’t there,” he said referring to Russia’s most recent major security crises – Georgia’s attack on South Ossetia and the violent coup in Ukraine.

    The enmity between Russia and Europe hurts both parties in other ways as well, the expert said. After decades of careless life, Europe has forgotten how to engage in realpolitik, unlike Russia, Karaganov says, meaning that Europe loses out on Russia’s help on issues such as the refugee crisis, which Moscow is unlikely to offer in the face of the confrontation.

    “In Europe, you have a different political system, one that is unable to adapt to the challenges of the new world. The German chancellor said that our president lives in a different world. I believe he lives in a very real world,” Karaganov said.

    Russia, for its part, is hurt because Russia’s elites find an excuse not to undertake painful but necessary domestic reforms as long as the threat from NATO exists.

    Karaganov says Russia won’t offer any concessions to the West in the face of the stand-off anytime soon, but, rather, it will refocus its attention eastward while drifting further from Europe, though he admitted that such an outcome is not the best for Russia.

    “We believe that Russia is morally in the right. There won’t be any fundamental concessions coming from our side,” he said. “Psychologically, Russia has now become a Eurasian power – I was one of the intellectual fathers of the eastward pivot. But now I am of the opinion that we shouldn’t turn away from Europe. We have to find ways to revitalize our relations.”

    https://www.rt.com/news/350986-russia-nato-encroachment-punishment/
     
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  5. God help us. This most recent news:

    ....and Russia with their ongoing backing of Iran's plans, towards the West, Israel et al :

    New Russian Bomber to Be Able to Launch Nuclear Attacks From Outer Space

    The Russian Strategic Missile Forces Academy is developing a hypersonic strategic bomber capable of striking with nuclear warheads from outer space, Lt. Col. Aleksei Solodovnikov told RIA Novosti on Wednesday.


    http://sputniknews.com/military/20160713/1042888473/russia-space-bomber-engine.html


    And people wish to prevent the former Communist controlled nations on the borders from merely preparing to defend themselves with a pittance of what could be coming against them....once again. Nothing like enabling terrible history to repeat itself. Unconscionable.
     
  6. Sorrowful Heart

    Sorrowful Heart Archangels

    Building up forces on the Russian border will have no effect on such a weapon.
     
  7. Exactly, thank you for proving my point....so why the outcry as if poor Russia is somehow the victim of any meaningful threats?? This proves how ridiculous such hysteria against the poor and fearful neighbors really is. Just the opposite...with this terror possibility among what already exists the realistically threatened indeed are in need of much greater help!
     
  8. Sorrowful Heart

    Sorrowful Heart Archangels

    You don't get it... the "missile defence" systems in Europe are geared towards attacking Russia. Russia is merely defending itself from escalation.

     
  9. Sorrowful Heart

    Sorrowful Heart Archangels

  10. Ummm....defense systems would be pretty useless if they weren't able to actually work! "Defense" is now "escalation"...sounds like some good NWO type soundbites....or the type the Obama regime likes to use, esp. against authentic terrorists and their threats. We had better not "defend" ourselves against such real threats because we'll just incite what is already being planned....or whatever. The world is already upside down even before the poles shift!!
     
  11. Sorrowful Heart

    Sorrowful Heart Archangels

    NATO is just doing whats right, they never have alternative agendas.
     
  12. Russia Building New Underground Nuclear Command Posts
    U.S. intelligence detects dozens of hardened bunkers for leaders

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-building-new-underground-nuclear-command-posts/

    Disclosure of the underground command bunkers comes as Army Gen. Curtis Scaparrotti, commander of U.S. European Command, warned recently that Russia has adopted a nuclear use doctrine he called “alarming.”

    “It is clear that Russia is modernizing its strategic forces,” Scaparrotti told a conference sponsored by the U.S. Strategic Command.

    “Russian doctrine states that tactical nuclear weapons may be used in a conventional response scenario,” Scaparrotti said on July 27. “This is alarming and it underscores why our country’s nuclear forces and NATO’s continues to be a vital component of our deterrence.”

    Mark Schneider, a former Pentagon nuclear policy official, said Russia’s new national security strategy, which was made public in December, discusses increasing civil defenses against nuclear attack, an indication Moscow is preparing for nuclear war.

    “Russia is getting ready for a big war which they assume will go nuclear, with them launching the first attacks,” said Schneider, now with the National Institute for Public Policy, a Virginia-based think tank.

    “We are not serious about preparing for a big war, much less a nuclear war,” he added.

    Additionally, Russian officials have been issuing nuclear threats.

    “A lot of things they say they are doing relate to nuclear threats and nuclear warfighting,” he said. “Active and passive defense were a major Soviet priority and [current Russian leaders] are Soviets in everything but name.”

    Russia is engaged in a major buildup of strategic nuclear forces, building new missiles, submarines, and bombers. A State Department report on Russian activities under the New START arms treaty stated in the spring that Moscow added 153 strategic nuclear warheads to its arsenal under the treaty.
     
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  14. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    Sorrowful Heart's map above speaks volumes. Why does the US start its defense thousands of miles from its own shores? Why lay hair-triggered traps so close to one's declared enemy? How can one be surprised if this enemy feels threatened on all sides when an obsolescent NATO, with its raison-d'etre long gone, behaves more bellicosely than even at the height of the real Cold War? Given the stakes, it is murderous and suicidal folly.
     
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  15. I think you have your team colors mixed up....."bellicose"? We could only wish that our enemies and the enemies of our allies would act as meekly when tested. Ha! And the poor Baltic states are begging for more actual prowess beyond just waving those team colors around in the "games".
     
  16. DeGaulle

    DeGaulle Powers

    There was no lack of bellicosity about the revolutionary overthrow of the legitimately-elected Ukrainian government, the principal incident which has led to the present upping of the ante. At least you are honest enough to admit that your enemies have been 'tested', but if one is going to go testing, one can hardly complain about push-back from them. But why test them? What is the Ukraine to the United States? Does not this country belong in the Russian sphere of influence no less than Cuba does in that of the United States, which the latter embargoed unilaterally for half a century and almost caused a third world war over fifty years ago? If history repeats itself in mirror image now, we may not be so lucky. Obama, or a possibly dementia-suffering Clinton may not be as good at poker as JFK.
     
  17. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    There are no good guys. Super powers create problems in countries then sit back and wait until they are called on to fix it. There is no shortage of examples, the Arab Spring and Ukraine being among the more recent of them.
     
  18. DeGaulle: Does not this country belong in the Russian sphere of influence

    If the good man were still with us Josyp Terelya could give you a stern education of just which "sphere of influence" his country belongs....and with what he went through (until rescued by a miraculous intervention by the Blessed Mother) that "education" might just possibly be the one thing that might just convince you of the accurate reality in that part of the world....which shouldn't be wished for again by anyone...esp. those with no real idea of that history when they speak of wishing it upon the people once again.
     
  19. Richard67

    Richard67 Powers

    The West is not playing poker in Ukraine. The West has and is commiting mass murder in Ukraine. Putin had every right and duty to respond the way he did. In fact, some think he should have done more to prevent the West's demonic genocidal punitive proxy war against the Donbass, which is ongoing as I write this. Putin's actions in Crimea undoubtedly saved lives as Crimeans would have suffered the same fate as the Donbass had Putin not acted. Many wonder why Putin was not able to interve more forcefully to save the people of the Donbass. Obama, Hillary and the Neocons belong in the dock at the Hague for commiting mass murder in Ukraine.
     

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