… but what is the Immaculate Heart of Mary?

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  1. Basto

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    “Afterward I felt in the increased beating of my heart and in my spirit a quiet voice which said: ‘in time, one faith, one baptism, one Church, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic.”

    http://catholictruthblog.com/2014/08/21/fatima-new-text-published/

    This sentence from Lucy gives us a big clue for the correct understanding of the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (the final conclusion for the events predicted at Fatima).

    One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic

    According to the Constitution on the Church, Lumen Gentium, the Catholic Church is understood to be "a corporate body of Churches," united with the bishop of Rome, who serves as the guardian of unity. The other Catholic Churches are not merely Catholics with papal permission to use different liturgies. They were also founded by the apostles and are particular, autonomous Churches of their own rightful existence (sui iuris). Any individual Catholic may freely attend and receive the sacraments in any of them. After all, Catholic is Catholic.

    As presently defined, there are 24 Catholic Churches that can be grouped into eight different rites. A rite is a liturgical, theological, spiritual, and disciplinary patrimony of a distinct people manifested in a Church. While each Catholic Church may have its own rite or customs, in general, there are only eight major rites. History, language, misunderstandings, nationalism, and basic human weakness have resulted in the current communion of 24 Churches.

    Western
    1. The Patriarchal Latin Catholic Church

    Eastern
    2. The Patriarchal Armenian Catholic Church
    3. The Syro-Malankara Catholic Church
    4. The Patriarchal Coptic Catholic Church
    5. The Ethiopian Catholic Church
    6. The Patriarchal Antiochian Syrian Maronite Catholic Church
    7. The Patriarchal Chaldean Catholic Church
    8. The Syro-Malabar Catholic Church
    9. The Patriarchal Syrian Catholic Church
    10. The Patriarchal Melkite Catholic Church
    11. The Italo-Albanian Catholic Church
    12. The Ukrainian Catholic Church
    13. The Georgian Catholic Church
    14. The Ruthenian Catholic Church
    15. The Byzantine Catholic Church USA (Rusyn Ruthenian Slovak)
    16. The Romanian Catholic Church
    17. The Greek Catholic Church in Greece
    18. The Greek Catholic Church in former Yugoslavia
    19. The Bulgarian Catholic Church
    20. The Slovak Catholic Church
    21. The Hungarian Catholic Church
    22. The Russian Catholic Church
    23. The Belarusian Catholic Church
    24. The Albanian Catholic Church

    This is the One Church, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. Any other Christian or non-Christian denomination, despite the ecumenical efforts, at the present time they don’t belong to this body, they are out of communion with it. Then we must admit that there is still a long way to run forwards the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. In fact, this marathon won’t be easy when this body is actually suffering from very crippling inner diseases in the west lung.
     
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  2. Basto

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    Our westocentric sight together with a generalized loss of faith has driven us to distractions like kasperites and other exotic and heretic theologies, while we wait for the persecutions from Russia. We almost didn’t notice but the Russian persecutions to the Holy Catholic Church, like in the times of the Soviets, have restarted already. The first victims are in the Ukraine but there is a reason for that, perhaps more than one.

    Ukrainian Catholics experiencing 'total persecution' in Crimea.

    Odesa, Ukraine, Nov 4, 2014 / 04:01 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Since Russia's annexation of Crimea in March, religious groups there – aside from the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) – are facing persecution, and restrictions on their ministry.

    His Beatitude the Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk prays in the ecumenical Church of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and Ukrainian martyrs with the faithful for the victims of Maidan Square.

     
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  3. Basto

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    Most of the Catholics in Ukraine are Greek Catholics, also known as Uniatas (negative designation used by the other orthodox denominations). They are Eastern Rite Catholics, easily confused with eastern orthodox because of their clothes, traditions, liturgy, rites, calendar, but they obey the Roman Pontiff and they share the same faith with the Latin Rite Catholics.

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    The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church is only the third religious denomination in Ukraine but the biggest of the Eastern Rite Churches in communion with Rome, with over seven and a half million followers around the world. If I’m not wrong, this is a bigger Catholic community than the Irish Catholic Church, for example. Though they don’t have a “Patriarchate” recognized by Rome as they have wished for a long time, instead, their primate has only the title of Major Archbishop. So, why did recent Popes postpone the recognition of that Patriarchate? Well, for the same reasons or fears that they don’t have the courage to pronounce the word “Russia” in an act of consecration performed with all the Catholic bishops of the world, including the Eastern Rite ones.

    I’m sure that the Russian Orthodox Church wouldn’t like to see the Archbishop-Major of Kyiv-Halych and All Rus becoming a Patriarch because that would be considered a provocation to eyes of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Rus.

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    For some reason, I believe that the Eastern Rite Catholics are somehow tightly linked to the 3rd secret of Fatima with an important role in the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary or, at least, they must be related to the purpose behind its secrecy.
     
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  4. Basto

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    "... Now as regards the Message of Fatima, it still stands. It still stands. The “errors of Russia” are now abroad. And they are abroad. “Russia will be converted,” but only by My Immaculate Heart, She said. It will be – She said it. But a bit late, but not too late, She said. So Russia is within the plan. Why? Uh, that would take me too far afield into papal secrets, why Russia and Kiev are involved in the final solution [the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary?] of this problem, but they are. They are part and parcel. And it’s really God’s choice.
    It’s purely and simply God’s choice.... He makes choices. He has His own favorite solutions to things. I wouldn’t have chosen
    the Russians or Kiev or the East for salvation, but salvation is to come from the East for us all." (Fr. Malachi Martin, 1996)


    If Malachi happens to be right, this wouldn’t be the first time that we see Kiev appearing in God’s plans.

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    The Baptism of Vladimir, a fresco by Viktor Vasnetsov (St Vladimir's Cathedral of Kiev)

    Pope [John Paul II] looked at me intently and asked, "Are you from Kyiv or Lviv?" "From Lviv" - I replied. "Well, go to Kyiv, you'll have a lot of work there", - said the Holy Father. I never imagined what those words could mean, which proved to be prophetic. I thought that I would be a teacher of theology, but never thought that I would be the Head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in Kyiv", - said the Primate of the Church.

    He recalled that an important gesture during a visit to Ukraine of then Pope was that He canonized many Greek Catholic martyrs. "I remember, - continued the Head of the Church - the people then said, if the Pope stepped with his foot onto Ukrainian soil, then communism will never come back here. We can say that His visit to Ukraine secured religious freedom in our country. His call to "Fear not!" remains more relevant and strong in Ukraine, especially today".


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    In the early first decade of the 21st century, the major see of the Ukrainian Catholic Church was transferred [from Lviv] to the Ukrainian capital of Kiev. The enthronement of the new head of the church Major Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk took place there on 27 March 2011 at the cathedral under construction on the left bank. On 18 August 2013, the Patriarchal Cathedral of the Resurrection of Christ was dedicated and solemnly opened.

     
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  5. Praetorian

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    Great posts Basto. The information from Malachi Martin in his interviews is great. I find his interviews with Bernard Jansen to be extremely enlightening as to the current state of the Church. Though they are a bit scary too. It was in those interviews that he let it slip a couple of times that the "start" of everything will be whatever happens between Russia and Ukraine. The only mistake he made in this regard was thinking it would happen during the pontificate of Pope John Paul II, but I think that was him guessing at timeline rather than a date that was from prophecy.

    There is also an apparition that occurred in Ukraine near Lviv that is key I think. It is hard to find information on because it happened during the cold war, but I think the words that may have been conveyed there are very important.
     
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  6. Basto

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    I believe that the Fr Martin’s problem with the dates is related to his belief in Garabandal and the misunderstood prophecy regarding to the number of Popes. I believe John Paul II was probably relying on that prophecy as well thinking that he would be the “bishop dressed in white” in the secret of Fatima. And you’re right about those apparitions in Ukraine, very interesting but there is no much information about it…
     
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    In Portugal we can see thousands of little details like this in every village, town and city remembering the consecration of this nation to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. This devotion is also manifested in several hundreds of altars and names of parishes. If we believe that the prophecies of Fatima are already accomplished, it shouldn’t be that difficult to find things like that in a country which is more than 185 times bigger.
     
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    When my wife and I went on our pilgrimage to Fatima, we had rented a car and drove from town to town on the way. Through the countryside of Portugal there are rolling hills, on the top of many of the hills were anti aircraft guns in small fortifications. We inquired about them and were told they were built to protect the country during the war, but not a single one of them was ever fired. And no one ever fired upon Portugal. Amazing :)
     
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  11. Basto

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    Rome, 25th of March, 1984


    I realized that we spend too much time asking ourselves if Russia has been properly consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary but that attitude won’t take us anywhere. Instead, we must take a deep look at the expected results that consecration should have. They must be unmistakable and widespread.


    1. Is the devotion of the Immaculate Heart of Mary followed inside Russia?

    As far as I know, it is followed only in a very few parishes of Eastern Catholics, mainly in the Ukraine and in the Baltic States, where you can notice the presence of this devotion in their liturgical calendar, iconography, and also in the name of chapels and schools. However, in Russia that’s not exactly the same.


    2. Do we live in the foretold period of Peace?

    I don’t think so.


    3. Did the Holy Roman Catholic Church avoided the foretold persecutions?

    I don’t think so.


    4. Are we free now from a widespread apostasy amongst clerics and laity predicted at Fatima?

    Well, never mind…


    5. Did we get rid of the communism beast?

    We might have deadly wounded it in one of its heads but it seems to be healing fast, has got new and different clothes and can’t wait any longer to come out.


    6. Did the people of the other creeds convert to the Catholic faith?

    The Catholics need conversion to their own faith first…


    7. Are we, “like the king of France”, repented for delaying that consecration?

    No, not yet.

     
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    Putin: "collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical disaster of the century" (English subtitles)

    Annual Address to the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation
    April 25, 2005
    The Kremlin, Moscow
     
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    Did the Eastern Christians ever asked for the consecration of Russia?


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    The venerable Andrey Sheptytsky was the Metropolitan Archbishop of Lviv and Halych, head of the Catholic Church in Ukraine during the persecutions of Lenin and Stalin, at the beginning of World War II, he wrote to the Holy See:

    "This regime [communism] can only be explained as a case of collective diabolical possession." And he asked the Pope to suggest to all the priests and religious of the world “to exorcise the Soviet Russia".

    Sheptysky died in 1944 and his beatification process is underway.

    My translation from: http://flagelorusso.blogspot.pt/
     
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    "The will of Mary Immaculate is so closely united with the Will of God that they seem to be only one will...Her will is united to and identified itself in the closest way with the Will of God. She lives and operates only in God and through God. So we should not be afraid to say that our only and deepest wish is to do the Immaculates will as accurately as possible. By doing this, we shall belong to Her every day more. And She shall take possession of our whole being." "The first seven centuries were only the preparation, the idea, the cause. Now comes the realization of that truth, the manifestation of the Immaculate Virgin to souls; Her introduction to souls with all the blessed effects which follow from it. In every country there must arise Cities of Mary Immaculate...you will soon see tears flowing from the eyes of the most hardened sinners; prisons will be emptied; honest workers will unite; families will overflow with virtue, peace, and happiness; all discord will be banished, for it is now the new era." Saint Maximillian Kolbe
     
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  16. Patty

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    Beautiful!
     
  17. Basto

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    Truly beautiful.
     
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