I fear that Cardinal Walter Kasper is in grave error

This may or may not help: http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?number=314834&Pg=&Pgnu=&recnu=

 

Personally I think it is beyond our pay-grades to label fellow Catholics "heretics" because we strongly disagree with their opinions. Why cannot we just say we strongly disagree, provide our reasons, and humbly leave it at that?

The more so when it comes to anyone of high office in the Church, especially when they are known to be in good-standing with the authorities.

 

I don't think its about us refuting or not refuting Pope Francis of Cardinal Kasper.

If it isn't our role as laity, even if we were experts, to personally decide (let alone berate Cardinals) what any given verse of the Bible truly means ... how would it be any different wrt interpreting the Deposit of Faith.

Both seem to be forms of a well-intentioned yet misguided, Protestant individualism ultimately terminating in personal hubris and communal chaos to my mind.

 

Well, while it is certainly true that we cannot judge a soul, we can most defintely evalutate words and actions in light of the Church Teaching.

Please go to the 8:35 mark in part one of this video interview which I linked to in the OP. This is where Cardinal Kasper will give what he thinks is a rational defense for giving Communion to a Catholic who has divorced and remmaried. This is clearly heresy and was prohibtied by Jesus Christ in Sacred Scriptures.

Kasper's fellow Catholics have also made it clear that Kasper's proposals are heretical:

ROME, June 11, 2015 -- Cardinal Robert Sarah, the highly respected prefect for the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments at the Vatican, appointed in 2014 by Pope Francis, has made it abundantly clear since last October’s Extraordinary Synod on the Family that any attempt to detach Catholic teaching from “pastoral practice” is a form of “heresy and a dangerous schizophrenic pathology.”

Speaking on May 20 at the John Paul II Pontifical Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family in Rome, at the presentation of the Cantagalli book series "Family, Work in Progress", the cardinal sent a clear message to Cardinal Walter Kasper and followers. Kasper has been the main protagonist since the 2014 Consistory in “suggesting” Communion for divorced and remarried and continues in this vein up to the present with much support from the German Bishops.

"If some countries are doing this already (giving the Eucharist to the divorced and remarried) they are insulting Christ, it is a desecration of his Body and they are guilty because they are doing it knowingly."

Cardinal Sarah is having none of it, stating that “the African Church will strongly oppose any rebellion against the teaching of Jesus and the Magisterium.”

“Regarding mercy? The fact is that we are not precise in using the Christian word ‘mercy’. And without explaining [what this word means] we deceive people. Mercy [makes us] close the eyes not to see sin… The Lord is ready to forgive, but if we come back, and if we are sorry for our sins,” he said. “Christ was merciful but he affirmed that to breach marriage is adultery. We cannot interpret these words differently - it is a sin [to do so] and the sinner without repentance cannot receive the Body of Christ.”

“If some countries are doing this already (giving the Eucharist to the divorced and remarried) they are insulting Christ, it is a desecration of his Body and they are guilty because they are doing it knowingly,” the cardinal said.

“To permit in a particular diocese that which is not authorized by the Synod signifies to ‘desecrate Christ,’” he continued. “We deceive the people by talking about mercy without knowing what that word means. The Lord forgives our sins, but if we repent. … I think that it is more courageous to stay with Christ on the cross, and be faithful to his words. It is not easy to live the Gospel....” https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/k...l-insults-christ-pope-francis-liturgy-prefect

 

At the 28:00 mark in the video, Father Murray explains that there is ALREADY a process to allow divorced and civily remarried couples to recieve communion. He says that if a Catholic finds himself or herself in an invalid second marriage and, for the good of children cannot split up, then the Church says that if you wish to recieve Communion you must refrain from adulterous relations and live as "brother and sister."

So, if there is ALREADY a process for delivering Mercy to divorced and civily remarried Catholics, why is Cardinal Kasper proposing an innovation?

 

Excellent, thank you.

The idea that laity are not able to recognize rank heresy like Kasper's when it rears it's ugly had is rubbish, just one more proof of the diabolical disorientation that is the hallmark of our age. And it needs to be called out for what it is.

 

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Kasper is just another Distraction and another good reason to focus on The Cross of Jesus and Our Salvation ...... not on matters we can't control or that which is of no importance, near term, to our survival in The Storm!!

GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!

 

I am really scared now, I think the side that does not get what they want at the synod is going to schism and break off their union with the Pope.

 

1 John 4:1

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

1 John 4:1-21

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them

1 Thessalonians 5:21

But test everything; hold fast what is good.

 

Its true that this is just a strong breeze before a great storm.

I am reminded how very,very important it is to keep prayingat all times. Mary kept saying this at every visit she made, such a AKita, that we must pray pray pray.

 

I remember one particular prophesy mentions that God would intervene, 'Lest even the good should be led astray and perish'.

I can see this now. However as the Catholic Cathechism says, 'Pray and you most certainly be saved. Do not pray and you most certainly will be damned'.

So rosary in hands we will always see thorugh the fogs of deceit and reach safe harbour . I admit though I do find it a bit of a shocker that a very prominent Cardinal should be preaching open heresy on National and international TV without restriction.

I think people need to remember that we will be held to account by God not only for speaking out when we should have been silent..

...but for being silent when we should have been speaking out.
For evil to triumph it is sufficient for good men to do and say nothing.

Kasper is certainly a case in point. You know it would be redundant to write anything about Cardianl Kasper's views if he had been silenced by the Church. For whatever reason he has not been silenced.

So long as he is not silenced but speaks on the world pulpit I do not think we should be silent ourselves.
Silence can be taken so very easily for consent. We are Christ's sheep but I think sometimes he expexts us to give out a good old roar.

 

Thanks Padraig.

Kasper was unequivocally silenced by Pope St. JPII and Pope Benedict XVI precisely because of his heterodox views on divorce and remarriage and reception of the sacraments.

He has been rehabilitated by Pope Francis as one of Pope Francis' very first acts as pope and has spread his errors worldwide without correction by this pope.

These are facts, not "Allegations and gossip, rumour and inuendo, propanda and vested media interests."

People can choose to process and deal with facts or deny them, but they cannot make basic facts into something that can be disregarded as "Allegations and gossip, rumour and inuendo, propanda and vested media interests."

 

I'm afraid it's too late to worry about what should have been done these past 50 years as The Storm is on us now. Future generations of Faith, I Hope-n-Pray, will remember that it is our duty as Followers of Christ to see that His Church stands firm on it's long held beliefs and traditions ... and be willing to ring the alarm bells and raise Holy Hell if otherwise!!

GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!

 

Even in the midst of the storm we must defend the Faith, and the Synod this fall is very much a central part of that storm.

 

Hmm..Fr. Z , as much I don't like labels- a pretty solid "traditional-conservative" appears to have a different take on this:

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2015/03/is-pope-francis-turning-away-from-kasper-and-to-caffarra/

It's why going anywhere other than the source itself is dangerous. I'm sorry to say, but I'm more afraid fir thus site than anything else right now. Peace

 

James 5:9
Murmur not, brethren, one against another, that ye be not judged: behold, the judge standeth before the doors.

1 Timothy 5:1
Rebuke not an elder, but entreat him as a father.

1Peter 5:5
Ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

James 4:11
Speak not evil one of another, brothers. He that speaks evil of his brother, and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law, and judges the law: but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law, but a judge.

Hebrews 13:17
Obey your prelates, and be subject to them. For they watch as being to render an account of your souls; that they may do this with joy, and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you.

 

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Well I quite like this line BH. It could be used to describe much of what is coming from ''The Top''.

 

LOL!

A lot of which proof texts get flung about on any given day depends on whose ox is being gored.

 

Reformation mark 2, they are flying like confetti

 

I do not regard your allegations as facts, basic or otherwise and I do not diregard them at all. I categorically regard them as described. Last October Pope Francis expressed his displeasure at the synod being hijacked by rumour merchants, provocateurs, promotors of their own ambitions and agents of intrigue. As such an unwanted focus on certain issues was force fed on the bishops and the faithful. He will be better prepared for round 2 and less likely to be derailed and diverted from his path of truth. We could go on ad nausea with this exchange and I don't feel like being sick today so I will leave the last word to you.