Pope Francis (A defense)

Discussion in 'Pope Francis' started by Mark Dohle, Mar 14, 2017.

  1. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    From Fr Ray Blake in Brighton, England.

    Fr. Blake on fake news, filthy lies, nasty people, anonymity, vilification and bile

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    NASTY COURTIERS

    Did you believe the story about the Pope submitting his five dubia to Cardinal Mueller? No nor did I, I just don't believe the stories that begin Monsignor A told Bishop B that Cardinal C had said the Pope has said or done Y. I do my best not to listen to gossip, and not to report it. If we can't try to speak the truth we are unlikely to be faithful witnesses to Christ, we have an obligation to speak the truth even if it costs us dearly in order to be credible.

    I certainly don't trust Monsignori or anyone who is willing to back up a damaging statement about the Pope without being willing to put his name to it, especially as in this case it was also about someone like Cardinal Mueller who is quite able to state frankly his own case and has a certain reputation of being honourable. Passing on this kind of 'fake news' is trading in filth, I find it as scandalous as stories about sexual deviants having parties in the Vatican.

    Poor Pope Francis has to battle as much against with his friends as against his enemies, many of the more vociferous on both side are pretty unpleasant, they contaminate with their filthy lies those who listen to them and pass on in all innocence what they have heard. Simply, the Gospel allow it and threatens judgement against those who do it!

    There is a very good podcast by Damien Thompson and Fr Ed Conlon at the end of this piece in the Spectator. Fr Ed hits the nail by saying that invariably liberal commentators misinterpret the Pope, it is not just journalists but as is discussed even revamped the Academy for Life came out with a statement regarding not keeping little Charlie Gard alive by extending his treatment, whilst the Pope, the very next day invited the family to Rome for further treatment.

    One of the great problems with every court is that courtiers tend to fail to understand the thinking of the Prince, which means of course one moment you can be by his side giving advice and the next in a cage on the roof Castel Sant'Angelo exposed to the elements. The other thing about courtiers is they are often very nasty people, they put their trust in princes and not in the Lord. To see this today one only has to look at Twitter to see the abusive or gloating comments of those who claim to be close to the Pope today. If they judge a man to be an enemy of Francis there is no end to the vilification and bile.

    The more unpredictable or incoherent a prince becomes the more violent and malevolent become those who surround him, of course they wish to control him, in the case of the current Pope this probably impossible, in the words of Cardinal Pell, 'he is unique'.
     
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  2. Fatima

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    Pope Francis promoting a ‘hidden schism’ with ‘obstinate persistence,’ warns Pope Benedict collaborator

    ROME, July 12, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – An atheist philosopher friend of Benedict XVI has strongly criticized Pope Francis, accusing the Holy Father of not preaching the Gospel but politics, fomenting schism, and issuing secularist statements aimed at destroying the West.

    In a fiery interview published July 10 in Mattino di Napoli, Marcello Pera, who co-wrote the famous 2005 book Without Roots with then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, said he cannot understand the Pope who, he said, goes beyond the bounds of “rational comprehension.”

    A philosophy professor, member of Silvio Berlusconi’s Forza Italia party, and a former president of the Italian Senate, Pera said he believes the reason why the Pope calls for unlimited immigration is because he “hates the West” and is seeking to do all he can “to destroy it.”

    He added that he does not like the Pope’s magisterium, saying it is “not the Gospel, only politics,” and that Francis is “little or not at all interested in Christianity as doctrine, in its theological aspect.”

    “His statements appear to be based on Scripture,” he said, but “actually they are strongly secularist.”

    Immigration has become a highly sensitive topic in Italy in recent months as thousands of refugees arrive every month, mostly from north Africa, placing considerable strain on local communities and services.

    Pera's comments also come after another conversation between the Pope and the atheist Eugenio Scalfari in which Francis allegedly told Scalfari to be “very concerned” about the summit last week of the G20 group of industrialized nations because they have “very dangerous alliances” and a “distorted view of the world.”

    According to Scalfari, who is over 90 and doesn’t record his interviews, the Pope also said the G20 worried him because of the issue of immigration, saying the problem is “unfortunately rising in today's world, that of the poor, the weak, the excluded, of which migrants are part.” Some of the G20 nations have “few local poor but fear the invasion of immigrants,” he said.

    In the July 10 interview Pera, went on to say that he believes the Pope isn’t concerned about the salvation of souls but only social well-being and welfare, and argued that if Europe were to follow the Pope’s position, it would be committing suicide. “The Pope reflects all the prejudices of South America against North America, against the free market, liberty, and capitalism,” Pera added.

    On the issue of migration, the philosopher politician believes the Pope’s approach is not from the Gospel, and his words are designed to win easy applause from the United Nations. His political vision on migrants and society, he continued, has “nothing to do with the Western tradition of political freedom and its Christian roots.”

    Pera’s book with Cardinal Ratzinger, whose full title was Without RootsThe West, Relativism, Christianity, Islam, warned of the dangers facing civilization if the West abandoned its moral and cultural history. The joint authors called on Western leaders to embrace a spiritual rather than political renewal, accepting the moral values of its Judeo-Christian heritage which would enable society to make sense of today’s economic, political and social challenges.

    In this week's interview, Pera said he believes the open doors approach to migrants that the Pope is advancing will lead to a “bad reaction” with no desirable solution. He said the Pope’s positions underline that he is not in “perfect harmony” with “conservative Catholics and the rest of the Church.”

    He added that Francis is not only causing problems in politics over migration, he is also fueling a kind of schism within the Church.

    Pera, whose 2008 book Why We Must Call Ourselves Christians contained a preface by Pope Benedict XVI, maintained that an “apparent hidden schism exists in the Catholic world” that the Pope is “pursuing with obstinate persistence and determination.”

    But he said this “new course” being pursued by Francis does not convince him at all, and argued that it is “exploding the Second Vatican Council in all its revolutionary radicality.”

    Pera further believes these ideas, which he thinks are devastating for the Church, have their origins in the Council. “That aggiornamento (updating) of Christianity secularized the Church, triggering a very profound change, even if it risked bringing a schism that was kept at bay in the years that followed,” he said.

    He credited Benedict XVI and Pope St. John Paul II for saving the Church, “resisting and trying to mediate the new with tradition.” They did this in a “lofty way,” he said, but now Francis has brought all back into discussion: “human rights, all without exception, have become the ideal point of reference and compass for the Church” while the “rights of God and of tradition have almost gone.”

    In an interview with the National Catholic Register in 2006, Pera warned against multiculturalism, saying it leads to the exact “opposite of integration, because it gives rise to separate communities, that are then reduced to a ghetto-like status and enter into conflict amongst themselves.”

    He also said then that his diagnosis for Europe’s future was “not a happy one.”

    “If Europe goes forward with its relativist culture, with the refusal of its own tradition, with its low nativity rates, with indiscriminate immigration, then Europe is going to end up Islamized,” he warned.

    Referring to Benedict XVI’s comments in Without Roots, he said “the impression today is that Europe resembles the Roman Empire at its fall.”
     
  3. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    That's all we need. Another atheist friend of a Pope telling us what's good for us.

    Can you imagine St. Peter co-authoring books with atheists or giving exclusive interviews to them?

    The Church would be better off if the Vatican were handed over to the Italians, St. Peter's relics exhumed and moved to a tiny church in some backwater, and the curia housed in little cottages with basic facilities. Then the atheist hangers on would fade away and we could get back to being a Church in the world but not of the world.
     
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  4. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    This, from Wikipedia, is all I need to know about Marcello Pera:

    Pera, who was born in Lucca, graduated in accounting, and he worked for the Banca Toscana and for the Camera di Commercio in Lucca. He went on to study philosophy at the University of Pisa, concentrating on the works of Karl Popper and his open society theory, and advocating these principles during the difficult 1970s, the anni di piombo.

    Mr. Pera and George Soros have something in common: Karl Popper and his open society theory.

    We'll all be better off when Cardinals and Popes realise that the Jesus who ate with sinners also said something about shaking the dust from our feet. Hasten the day when our hierarchy concentrate on collaborating with Catholics about establishing a Christian society built on the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
     
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  5. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    These days we need to be very careful with the news coming from Rome. I think friends of the pope (his courtiers), or enemies of the Church, are sometimes at the origin of the very negative news about the pope. They want to divide. They want to fool what they label as the 'conservative' Church so they can accuse many faithful Catholics of amplifying fake news, fundamentalism, opposition to the pope etc - because they know it's fake news (they produce them) it's a win win for them. So we need to beware! Their goal I think is ultimately to discredit the renmant of orthodox faithful and convince this pope or the next that they need to be cast out.
     
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  6. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    Yes we must be very careful. Rememeber the fake "Fra Cristoforo" "leaks" that were deliberately manufactured.
     
  7. Dolours

    Dolours Guest

    Indeed, the Vatican has more leaks than US Intelligence.

    I believe that the apostasy infecting the Church springs from a lack of belief in the Eucharist, the source and summit of our Faith. You don't have to look any further than the Vatican for evidence of that. Access to anywhere near the tomb of St. Peter requires a special ticket booked months in advance. In contrast, anyone can saunter into Mass in St. Peter's, hold out their hand and be given Jesus.

    The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is celebrated in a small chapel on one side of St. Peter's. Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament is held in another small chapel on the opposite side. Meanwhile, crowds throng the main basilica taking selfies or admiring the talent of artists and sculptors. Special security measures were installed after the Pieta statue was vandalised. Little or nothing is done to prevent offences against Jesus in the Blessed Eucharist.

    How long will the Father tolerate this sacrilege against his Son who suffered for us? Not much longer I reckon. If we don't clean up our act, He will.
     
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  8. Jarg

    Jarg Archangels

    http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-at-angelus-find-true-rest-in-the-lord

    (Vatican Radio) “Come to me, all you who are weary and are burdened, and I will give you rest.”

    This passage, from the day’s Gospel reading, was the starting point for Pope Francis’ reflections ahead of the Sunday Angelus.

    Jesus, the Pope said, addresses this invitation to everyone, without exception, who feels weary or burdened by life. “Jesus knows how hard life can be,” he said. He knows how many things can cause our hearts to grow weary.

    In the face of all these burdens of life, the first word of Jesus’ invitation is “Come.” When things are going badly, Pope Francis said, it is a mistake to remain where we are. Although this might seem evident, he continued, it is natural in moments of darkness to turn in on ourselves, to brood on the injustices of life, the ingratitude of others, or the wickedness of the world. But Jesus wants to pull us out of this “quicksand.” The way out is in the relationship, in reaching out our hand and lifting our gaze toward the one Who truly loves us.

    But going out of ourselves is only the first step, the Pope said: we must also know where to go. In life, many of our goals can be deceptive, promising us rest and distracting us for a while, but ultimately leaving us as alone as when we started. They are like fireworks. And this is why Jesus says, “Come to me.” We often turn to others in times of difficulty – we must not forget to turn to Jesus, to open ourselves up to Him, and to entrust our difficulties to Him.

    The Lord is waiting for us in order to help us, but this does not mean He will magically take away our difficulties. “Jesus does not take the Cross from us,” the Holy Father said; rather “He carries it with us.” When we come to Jesus, we receive peace, a peace that remains even in trials and difficulty. The Lord Himself promises this to us, repeating again at the end of the day’s Gospel reading, “Learn from me… and you will find rest for your life.”

    “Let us learn to go to Jesus,” Pope Francis said in conclusion. “And while, in these summer months, we seek some respite from those things that weary the body, let us not forget to find true rest in the Lord.”
     
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  9. Reuben Ortiz

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    This is our latest release called, "What is the Truth?"


    My wife and have done 4 interviews in the last 2 days, and it all about the link below on Rev. Jerome P. Coyle. The New York Times wrote an article on it. Fox News aired it.


    God bless you
     
  10. padraig

    padraig Powers

    'fake news, filthy lies, nasty people, anonymity, vilification and bile'

    Language like this is huge turn off for me right away as it is not charitable. Especially coming from a priest. I just reach for the 'Off,' button. Name calling won't get things done.

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  11. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Dear God.
     
  12. Mario

    Mario Powers

    Now this was a meditation to spend time on.(y)

    Safe in the Barque of Peter!
     
  13. Reuben Ortiz

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    Yes, judgment will be on love that is given from the pope down. Love fed to the flock, and if the flock is not fed properly, judgment will be more severe on those who were given charge over the flock. I am a lay person, and as part of the flock, a pedophile priest who had sexually abused over 50 boys was living in my home, and the advice given to me by priests, was, "pray for him". A pedophile priest. Here is the interview on all that so called love that is being distributed from the pope down, but your love to me is kind of weird? I should ask you, "What is the Truth for you?" Your god who loves cover up and silence is certainly not my God.

    Amazing that you have made me the victim, when I expose truth! You are blinded by men, and do not know what it is like to be a soldier of Christ in the fight for 'truth'. You have turned priests into god for you, and they are just brooms to keep Jesus' Catholic Chuch tidy, but the brooms today are broken, and Jesus is cleaning out the closet. The Catholic church is shrinking, and with your view on IT, your will either leave IT or be thrown out with those thoughts of yours that put priests above mankind, but in fact, these priests are more accountable. As you can see by my interview, without a doubt, a priest who was living in my home was guilty and should have been in jail, and at the least in a psychiatric ward, but no, he was released and ended up in my home, released by the hierarchy. Oh yea, it is loving of me to serve justice on this priest on this earth, because if he does not serve justice while on this earth, it would be better that a noose were tied around his neck and thrown into the deepest ocean than for him to hurt one of Jesus' little ones. Look this story up, it is all over the news, and even Archbishop Walker of Sioux City Iowa made a statement about it. It isn't fake news like you would like to fake everyone out with. What is the Truth? That is right, "What is the Truth?" See it for yourself. It is viral, New York Times, Fox News, The Journal, it is viral, and when this virus ends up in your own home as the flock, and it is the hierarchy who released this plague on mankind, it is sickening to experience this as a Catholic!

    Jesus, I trust in You
     
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  14. Praetorian

    Praetorian Powers

    God Bless you and your wife Reuben for trying to help a priest in need. I don't think the diocese should have let a priest they know to have these problems anywhere near children and at the very least should have made sure you were 100% aware of all of his crimes. I'm not sure how long he lived with you before you became aware, but even one day is too long. Thank Heaven they had the good sense to step in at some point.

    Everyone needs mercy and prayer, even pedophiles, but that does not change the fact that they are very sick people. I am so happy that nothing happened to your little one.
     
  15. Reuben Ortiz

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    In fact, my son will be going through several interviews to determine whether or not he did something. You see, I am a victim of sexual abuse of my uncle, and it happened when I was about 12 years of age. I will tell you that as a sexual abuse victim, "statute of limitations" is a joke. I completely blocked out the incident with my uncle until I was in my mid to late 30's. PTS is real, and it happened to me, so knowing this pedophile priest for the last 12 years, and my son being 15 means that this man could have done something, so my son will go through a series of exams. That is truth, and it is sick truth that I have to put my kid through this ordeal, because of the Catholic church hierarchy that made sick decisions to release this pedophile priest, who infected my world. I curse the day that I met him, and if they need prayer, you pray for them! I will pray for the victims, because these men who pose as complicit shepherds in wolves clothing have invaded Jesus' Catholic church, and Hebrews chapter 6 speaks plainly about them: [4] For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5] Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [6] And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery.

    Oh yea, the bible says that, "It is impossible". Read it. I will pray my prayers for those priests who are seeking holiness, and who do not want to defile Jesus' Catholic church, by defiling the flock. Jesus said, "Feed my flock" 3 times to Peter. He did not say, "defile them" for a good reason to His anointed one(s). Jesus knows my love for Him that is first and foremost for Him, and He gives His mercy to those who are the most wretched, but there is an entry in the Diary of Saint Faustina that is clear about the priests, entry 1702 states: Towards the end of the Way of the Cross which I was making, the Lord Jesus began to complain about the souls of religious and priests, about the lack of love in chosen souls. I will allow convents and churches to be destroyed. I answered, "Jesus, but there are so many souls praising You in convents." The Lord answered, That praise wounds My Heart, because love has been banished from convents. Souls without love and without devotion, souls full of egoism and self-love, souls full of pride and arrogance, souls full of deceit and hypocrisy, lukewarm souls who have just enough warmth to keep them alive: My Heart cannot bear this. All the graces that I pour out upon them flow off them as off the face of a rock. I cannot stand them, because they are neither good or bad. I called convents into being to sanctify the world through them. It is from them that a powerful flame of love and sacrifice should burst forth. And if they do not repent and become enkindled by their first love, I will deliver them over to the fate of this world... How can they sit on the promised throne of judgment to judge the world, when their guilt is greater than the guilt of the world? There is neither penance nor atonement. O heart, which received Me in the morning and at noon are all ablaze with hatred against Me, hatred of all sorts! O heart specially chosen by Me, were you chosen for this, to give Me more pain? The great sins of the world are superficial wounds on My Heart, but the sins of a chosen soul pierce My Heart through and through...

    Jesus, I trust in You
     
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  16. Praetorian

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    Reuben I am so sorry for the evil you endured and that your son may have :cry::cry::cry:

    I don't even have words to express the sorrow. I agree there should be no statute of limitations, for the effect of what the perpetrators have done goes on for the rest of the victim's life. These are very sick people. I am so glad that God has sustained your faith through all of this. I can understand why it shatters the faith of many. Another crime for which there is no restitution that is enough.
     
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  17. Reuben Ortiz

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    Yes, and sustain my faith and the faith of my wife and family I will do for Jesus. He is EVERYTHING to me, and there is no other. Thank you for your words of comfort. The song that we just released in stores and on youtube called, "What is the Truth?" is a reckoning of that pain that so many victims go through, and it "NEEDS" to be reckoned with by the hierarchy in such a way that there is no glass half filled in compromise for priests to sacrifice for these victims who were sacrificed for evil. That is why the seat of Peter is no more, they shattered the papacy between them, two popes, one good and one evil. This will not end well, but I will not quit in driving out the evil that has formed a cloud of darkness that blinds the flock in Jesus' Catholic Church. What is the Truth? is the Dubia, is Vigano, is the inquest of the silence that is allowing death to faith by hidden lies. What is the Truth?
     
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  18. padraig

    padraig Powers

    Prayers for you and yours Rueben; you and your wife have great Faith.
     
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  19. garabandal

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    Simply shocking. The rot is so deep that we need to build from the foundations again.

    I will remember you and your family in my Rosary.
     
  20. HeavenlyHosts

    HeavenlyHosts Powers

    Yes, the rot is so deep :cry:
     
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