The Vatican Has Fallen

Discussion in 'Church Critique' started by padraig, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. CrewDog

    CrewDog Guest

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  2. HeavenlyHosts

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    Brian and Steve

    Thanks for posting
    Very scary
     
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  3. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Gloria Steinem Backs Abortion Because: “Forced Childbirth is the Single Biggest Cause of Global Warming”
    National Sarah Stites May 11, 2017 | 6:21PM Washington, DCAccording to radical feminist Gloria Steinem, women will never be “fully equal” to men unless they have abortion rights. Oh, and the patriarchy’s to blame for climate change too.

    In an interview with Refinery29 writer Lindsey Stanberry, Steinem shared thoughts on feminism, and unsurprisingly, everything came back to female reproductive rights.

    When the writer commented that some considered climate change to be a feminist issue, Steinem avidly agreed, opining that forced childbirth was the cause of many of the earth’s problems.

    “Listen, what causes climate deprivation is population,” the 83-year-old icon exclaimed. “If we had not been systematically forcing women to have children they don’t want or can’t care for over the 500 years of patriarchy, we wouldn’t have the climate problems that we have.”

    In 2015, Steinem articulated the same perspective to Cosmo’s Prachi Gupta, declaring that the Pope and all “other patriarchal religions” were responsible for global warming, because of dictating women’s reproductive rights.

    And on that front, when conversation moved to Ivanka Trump, Steinem affirmed the common liberal view that one cannot simultaneously be a feminist and pro-life.

    Keep up with the latest pro-life news and information on Twitter.

    When Stanberry commented that the first daughter had “gotten a lot of criticism for trying to co-opt feminism,” Steinem bluntly responded: “Nobody on earth thinks she’s a feminist, are you kidding me?”

    “So how would you define a feminist?” Stanberry asked in return.

    And that’s where things got predictable. To be a feminist, one must tote the progressive party line: in other words, the idea that “full equality of the sexes” equates to being pro-choice.

    “I have not seen her standing up and saying women should have a right to control their own bodies and decide when and whether to have children, no,” Steinem expounded, before also criticizing Trump’s maternity leave policy.

    “I’m not saying that [Ivanka] knows this, but [the Nazis] were paying women to have children,” Steinem continued.

    LifeNews Note: Sarah Stites writes for Newsbusters, where this article originally appeared.
     
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  4. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    St. Anthony of the Desert (4th century) [Disquisition
    CXIV]. "Men will surrender to the spirit of the age. They
    will say that if they had lived in our day, Faith would be
    simple and easy. But in their day, they will say, things are
    complex; the Church must be brought up to date and made
    meaningful to the day's problems. When the Church and the
    World are one, then those days are at hand. Because our Di-
    vine Master placed a barrier between His things and the
    things of the world."


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  5. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Some truly prophetic insights by Bishop Fulton Sheen:

    "Wild and gloomy times? Small wonder that people are
    shaken and confused! The signs are everywhere. The signs of
    our times point to a struggle between absolutes. We may ex-
    pect the future to be a time of trials and catastrophes for two
    reasons: firstly, to stop disintegration. . . Revolution, disinte-
    gration, chaos must be reminders that our thinking has been
    wrong, our dreams have been unholy. The second reason why
    a crisis must come is in order to prevent a false identification
    of the Church and the World. Our Lord intended that His fol-
    lowers should be different in spirit from those who were not
    His followers. . . But, though this is the divine intent, it is
    unfortunately true that the line of demarcation is often blotted
    out. Mediocrity and compromise characterize the lives of
    many Christians. . . There is no longer the conflict which is
    supposed to characterize us. We are influencing the world less
    than the world is influencing us. Since the amalgamation of
    the Christian and pagan spirit has set in, since the gold is
    married with an alloy, the entirety must be thrown into the
    furnace so that the dross may be burnt away."
     
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  6. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    J 46.6 "During this unhappy period (endtimes), there will be laxity in
    divine and human precepts. Discipline will suffer. The Holy
    Canons will be completely disregarded, and the Clergy will not
    respect the laws of the Church. Everyone will be carried away
    and led to believe and to do what he fancies, according to the
    manner of the flesh.

    || 46.7 "They will ridicule Christian simplicity; they will call
    it folly and nonsense, but they will have the highest regard
    for advanced knowledge, and for the skill by which the
    axioms of the law, the precepts of morality, the Holy Canons
    and religious dogmas are clouded by senseless questions and
    elaborate arguments. As a result, no principle at all, however
    holy, authentic, ancient, and certain it may be, will remain
    free of censure, criticism, false interpretations, modification,
    and delimitation by man.

    |f 46.8 "These are evil times, a century full of dangers and
    calamities. Heresy is everywhere, and the followers of heresy
    are in power almost everywhere. Bishops, prelates, and priests
    say that they are doing their duty, that they are vigilant, and
    that they live as befits their state in life. In like manner, there-
    fore, they all seek excuses. But God will permit a great evil
    against His Church: Heretics and tyrants will come suddenly
    and unexpectedly; they will break into the Church while
    bishops, prelates, and priests are asleep. They will enter Italy
    and lay Rome waste; they will burn down the churches and
    destroy everything.


    Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser (Born in the 17th
    century, in Germany)

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  7. AED

    AED Powers

    I have long admired this great saint and have quoted this particular prophecy to friends who are struggling with the insane strangeness of everything. I am sure this wonderful saint and all the hermits who followed him are interceding for us in these days.
     
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  9. AED

    AED Powers

    Chilling Brian. That "off" feeling you felt was no doubt your Guardian Angel's vigilance.
     
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  10. AED

    AED Powers

    Malachi Martin lays out this process as well in some detail.
     
  11. Light

    Light Guest

    David

    I am not sure I believe in Vassula, but this message I like, big time.

    God Bless
     
  12. CrewDog

    CrewDog Guest

    Satanic Madness and Trump Derangement Syndrome "On Parade". Trump for political, & I hope personal, reasons has cast his lot with the pro-life Christians & others. USA Democrats and Leftists Worldwide have adopted unlimited Abortion as their "banner" and demonized anyone, even in their own political party, who objects. Does any here really doubt that the "Civil War" of Christ vs antiChrist is at hand? The Lord has told us that lukewarm "moderates" get spewed out.
    Time to choose sides, pray, prepare and "Man the Wall"!

    GOD SAVE ALL HERE!!
     
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  13. Fatima

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    Absolutely the divisions are occurring at lightening speed. Pope Francis has his hand in it as well and seems to be enjoying his pokes at tradition. Has there ever been a pope in the past 100 years that has tried so hard to divide the faithful, even against doctrines of the faith?
     
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  14. Fatima

    Fatima Powers

    Wasn't it Pope Francis that said, "who are we to judge"? Well apparently this same man now believes it is okay to judge someone once you know what they think. Is this not the height of hypocrisy or what?

    ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE, May 13 - Pope Francis said on Saturday he would be "sincere" with U.S. President Donald Trump over their sharp differences on subjects such as immigration and climate change when the two hold their first meeting at the Vatican later this month.
    "Even if one thinks differently we have to be very sincere about what each one thinks," Francis said in a typically freewheeling airborne news conference.
    "Topics will emerge in our conversations. I will say what I think and he will say what he thinks. But I have never wanted to make a judgement without first listening to the person."
     
  15. Pray4peace

    Pray4peace Ave Maria

    Strange that he would say that considering that he said Trump was "not Christian" during the campaign. Is that not being judgemental?!?
     
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  16. Dolours

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    No, that's Pope Francis being true to form. He talks out of both sides of his mouth; says one thing and does another; preaches against living a Godless life to people attending a canonisation; preaches about the evils of man-made climate change to atheists who don't believe in a divine creator; tells atheist journalists that they can go to a heaven they don't believe in despite denying God's existence; preaches about the evil of abortion to pro-life groups; praises abortionists to the abortion loving media; reinstates the head of a Catholic organisation who had been sacked for distributing contraceptives. When it looked like Clinton would win the election, he agreed with her media adorers that walls are unchristian. Now that Trump is President of the country that leads the world in charitable donations, he has to pull in his horns. While his heart lies with the South American socialists, his head tells him that he needs US capitalist money to fund social programmes because socialists don't contribute to Church charities. He rattles on about dialogue yet refuses to answer questions when his teaching contradicts Catholic doctrine. In other words, he tells people what they want to hear - the ultimate populist. While calling himself a faithful son of the Church, with each passing year he shows himself to be a faithful son of the world.
     
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  17. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Very, very insightful.

    Add to the list:

    Praises some aspects of Medjugorje while dismissing the whole thing saying:

    “The report has its doubts, but personally, I am a little worse,” the pope told reporters traveling with him from Fatima, Portugal. “I prefer Our Lady as mother, our mother, and not Our Lady as head of the post office who sends a message at a stated time.”

    “This isn’t Jesus’ mother,” he said. “And these alleged apparitions don’t have much value. I say this as a personal opinion, but it is clear. Who thinks that Our Lady says, ‘Come, because tomorrow at this time I will give a message to that seer?’ No!”


    Also, praises and canonises the little shepherds while throwing the extraordinary vision of the thrid secret under the bus:

    But which Mary? The Virgin Mary of the Gospel, venerated by the Church at prayer, or a Mary of our own making: one who restrains the arm of a vengeful God; one sweeter than Jesus the ruthless judge; one more merciful than the Lamb slain for us?
     
  18. Blizzard

    Blizzard thy kingdom come

    Matthew 5:37

    37 But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.
     
  19. Pray4peace

    Pray4peace Ave Maria

    I agree Dolours. I guess I didn't do a very good job conveying sarcasm in my last post. :rolleyes:
     
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  20. BrianK

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    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c...follow-guidelines-allowing-communion-for-rema

    Canon lawyer tells diocese to follow guidelines allowing Communion for remarried
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    May 19, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – A canon lawyer told priests at a workshop run by a U.S. diocese that Pope Francis’ Amoris Laetitia has allowed them to break with the Church’s tradition practice of refusing Communion to “remarried” Catholics.

    Since the diocesan bishop has not issued his own guidelines on the Pope’s exhortation, the canonist said, the priests can follow the controversial interpretations from the bishops of Malta and Buenos Aires.

    The workshop was recorded and shared anonymously with the Catholic group Mary’s Advocates. The group posted the recording on their website with identities redacted.

    “Now, we don’t have any guidelines,” the canon lawyer stated. “However, if priests want a little bit of insight into things that can be done, there are other areas that have put forth guidelines. Most notably, the Buenos Aires pastoral region has put out guidelines for their priests.”

    “This is important because this is the area that Pope Francis comes from,” she said. “It is also important because Pope Francis actually wrote a letter approving their guidelines.”

    She then referred attendees, which included some priests, to a website run by a lay canonist that included the Buenos Aires and Malta guidelines.

    “The document from Buenos Aires as well as Pope Francis’ letter of approving — I don’t want to say approving, but saying that they are good guidelines — are on that,” the canon lawyer told the audience.

    Amoris Laetitia
    The Buenos Aires and Malta directives were the first to outright say Amoris Laetitia could be interpreted as allowing Communion for Catholics living in objectively sinful situations. Other areas such as Chicago and San Diego have indicated they would follow.

    Pope Francis still has not responded to an inquiry from four cardinals requesting clarification on whether he intends the document to allow Catholics to circumvent Church teaching on Communion for individuals living in non-marital unions.

    Guidelines from Buenos Aires and Malta bishops
    Last September, the bishops of Buenos Aires issued their directive to priests in their jurisdiction allowing Holy Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics. The document closely quoted Amoris Laetitia.

    The bishops said that in “complex circumstances” when a remarried couple could not “obtain a declaration of nullity” priests can still grant them access to the Eucharist.

    If a priest recognizes that “in a particular case there are limitations that diminish responsibility and culpability, particularly when a person judges that he would fall into a subsequent fault by damaging the children of the new union,” the directive said, “Amoris Laetitia opens the possibility of access to the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.”

    The canon lawyer repeated the latter statement at the recent diocesan workshop.

    Pope Francis had written a letter to Argentinian Bishop Sergío Alfredo Fenoy at the time regarding the Buenos Aries directive, stating, “The document is very good and completely explains the meaning of chapter VIII of Amoris Laetitia. There are no other interpretations.”

    The bishops of Malta had given the OK for divorced and civilly remarried Catholics in their dioceses to receive Communion in a document released this past January.

    The Maltese bishops said at the time “there are complex situations” where living chastely, the Church’s requirement for rescuing Communion while in this situation, may be “humanly impossible.”

    The U.S. canon lawyer repeated this idea as well at her recent workshop.

    The Maltese bishops said divorced and civilly remarried Catholics in their dioceses could receive Communion if they manage “with an informed and enlightened conscience, to acknowledge and believe that he or she are at peace with God.”

    They said as well that their guidelines are “in line with the directions given by Pope Francis.”

    The canon lawyer said this issue was one of personal and pastoral discernment, again using language from the document and also the controversial Synods on the Family from which it was reportedly derived.

    More confusion
    Mary’s Advocates founder Bai Macfarlane criticized the canon lawyer’s characterization of Church teaching and canon law.

    “Listeners are set up, in the beginning, to be ready to learn which ecclesiastical man-made law has been changed by Amoris Laetitia,” Macfarlane said.

    “By the end of her presentation, listeners will believe that for a time (between the year 2000 and 2016), priests were restricted from telling those in second marriages that they cannot receive Communion without abstaining from sex, if they don’t have an annulment,” she continued. “Listeners will believe that Amoris Laetitia reversed and lifted that restrictive man-made law. So now priests can again tell parties to go to Communion after accompaniment and discernment.”

    The canon lawyer had also said during her presentation that telling someone not to have sex is not a good thing because you are taking away one of the basic aspects of marriage. However, she said this in regard to Catholics living a second marriage without an annulment.

    “The speaker treats adulterous sexual acts as if they bring the same graces as sexual acts in marriage,” Macfarlane said. “She attributes to sexual acts outside of marriage, the same graces gained by the participants, as sexual acts inside of marriage.”

    “If the Church should never tell adulterers not to have sex,” she continued, “then using the same logic the Church should not tell two high school kids to not have sex, or tell the man cheating on his wife that he should stop having sex with is new, young girlfriend.”

    The full recording can be accessed HERE, and has been shared with the diocese for which the canon lawyer works.



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